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Gemini is the only model which tells me when it's a good time to stop chatting because either it can't find a solution or because it dislikes my solution (when

Gemini is the only model which tells me when it's a good time to stop chatting because either it can't find a solution or because it dislikes my solution (when I actively want to neglect security). And the context length is just amazing. When ChatGPT's context is full, it totally forgets what we were chatting about, as if it would start an entirely new chat. Gemini lacks the tooling, there ChatGPT is far ahead, but at its core, Gemini feels like a better model.

FirmwareBurner 2y ago
>Gemini is the only model which tells me when it's a good time to stop chatting because either it can't find a solution or because it dislikes my solution Claude used to also do that. Only ChatGPT starts falling apart when I start to question it then gives in and starting to give me mistakes as answers just to please me.
davedx 2y ago
I'm still using ChatGPT heavily for a lot of my day-to-day, across multiple projects and random real life tasks. I'm interested in giving Claude and Gemini a good at some point; where is Gemini's tooling lacking, generally?
criddell 2y ago
I asked Claude this weekend what it could tell me about writing Paint.Net plugins and it responded that it didn't know much about that: > I'd be happy to help you with information about writing plugins for Paint.NET. This is a topic I don't have extensive details on in my training, so I'd like to search for more current information. Would you like me to look up how to create plugins for Paint.NET?
- qwertox 2y ago
  I mean responses like this one: I understand the desire for a simple or unconventional solution, however there are problems with those solutions. There is likely no further explanation that will be provided. It is best that you perform testing on your own. Good luck, and there will be no more assistance offered. You are likely on your own. This was about a SOCKS proxy which was leaking when the OpenVPN provider was down while the container got started, so we were trying to find the proper way of setting/unsetting iptable rules. My proposed solution was to just drop all incoming SOCKS traffic until the tunnel was up and running, but Gemini was hooked on the idea that this was a sluggish way of solving the issue, and wanted me to drop all outgoing traffic until the tun device existed (with the exception of DNS and VPN_PROVIDER_IP:443 for building the tunnel).
  - criddell 2y ago
    That sounds like you asked for plans to a perpetual motion machine.
    - dagw 2y ago
      In the past at least ChatGPT would reply "Building a perpetual motion machine sounds like a great idea, here are some plans on how to get started. Let me know if you need help with any of the details". This has been a problem with using LLMs for design and brainstorming problems in general. It is virtually impossible to make them go "no, that's a stupid idea and will never work", or even to push back and give serious criticism. No matter what you ask they're just so eager to please.
  - light_hue_1 2y ago
    You like that? This junk is why I don't use Gemini. This isn't a feature. It's a fatal bug. It decides how things should go, if its way is right, and if I disagree it tells me to go away. No thanks. I know what's happening. I want it to do things on my terms. It can suggest things, provide alternatives, but this refusal is extremely unhelpful.
    - qwertox 2y ago
      ChatGPT would rather have sucked up to me. I prefer a model quitting on me. Also, don't forget that I can then continue the chat.
  - airstrike 2y ago
    LOL that to me reads like an absolute garbage of a response. I'd unsubscribe immediately and jump ship to any of the competitors if I ever got that
    - citrus1330 2y ago
      No wonder most of the models are so obsequious, they have to pander to people like you
dr_kiszonka 2y ago
I like its assertiveness too, but sometimes I wish there was an "override" button to force it to do what I requested.
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FirmwareBurner 2y ago

>Gemini is the only model which tells me when it's a good time to stop chatting because either it can't find a solution or because it dislikes my solution Claude used to also do that. Only ChatGPT starts falling apart when I start to question it then gives in and starting to give me mistakes as answers just to please me.

davedx 2y ago

I'm still using ChatGPT heavily for a lot of my day-to-day, across multiple projects and random real life tasks. I'm interested in giving Claude and Gemini a good at some point; where is Gemini's tooling lacking, generally?

criddell 2y ago

I asked Claude this weekend what it could tell me about writing Paint.Net plugins and it responded that it didn't know much about that: > I'd be happy to help you with information about writing plugins for Paint.NET. This is a topic I don't have extensive details on in my training, so I'd like to search for more current information. Would you like me to look up how to create plugins for Paint.NET?

qwertox 2y ago
I mean responses like this one: I understand the desire for a simple or unconventional solution, however there are problems with those solutions. There is likely no further explanation that will be provided. It is best that you perform testing on your own. Good luck, and there will be no more assistance offered. You are likely on your own. This was about a SOCKS proxy which was leaking when the OpenVPN provider was down while the container got started, so we were trying to find the proper way of setting/unsetting iptable rules. My proposed solution was to just drop all incoming SOCKS traffic until the tunnel was up and running, but Gemini was hooked on the idea that this was a sluggish way of solving the issue, and wanted me to drop all outgoing traffic until the tun device existed (with the exception of DNS and VPN_PROVIDER_IP:443 for building the tunnel).
- criddell 2y ago
  That sounds like you asked for plans to a perpetual motion machine.
  - dagw 2y ago
    In the past at least ChatGPT would reply "Building a perpetual motion machine sounds like a great idea, here are some plans on how to get started. Let me know if you need help with any of the details". This has been a problem with using LLMs for design and brainstorming problems in general. It is virtually impossible to make them go "no, that's a stupid idea and will never work", or even to push back and give serious criticism. No matter what you ask they're just so eager to please.
- light_hue_1 2y ago
  You like that? This junk is why I don't use Gemini. This isn't a feature. It's a fatal bug. It decides how things should go, if its way is right, and if I disagree it tells me to go away. No thanks. I know what's happening. I want it to do things on my terms. It can suggest things, provide alternatives, but this refusal is extremely unhelpful.
  - qwertox 2y ago
    ChatGPT would rather have sucked up to me. I prefer a model quitting on me. Also, don't forget that I can then continue the chat.
- airstrike 2y ago
  LOL that to me reads like an absolute garbage of a response. I'd unsubscribe immediately and jump ship to any of the competitors if I ever got that
  - citrus1330 2y ago
    No wonder most of the models are so obsequious, they have to pander to people like you

dr_kiszonka 2y ago

I like its assertiveness too, but sometimes I wish there was an "override" button to force it to do what I requested.

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