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If 99% of your life is stored at one of the biggest advertising companies in the world you already gave up on privacy anyway...

FirmwareBurner 2y ago
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- master-lincoln 2y ago
  I don't think there was any moral critique in what I wrote. I just commented on OPs > so you maintain full control and privacy Of course everybody is free to chose who they hand over data to. One more comment to your writing: > take their favorite apps away there was no mention of taking anybody's app away. If people want to contact me they will need to use something that is not owned by a big advertising company. One can install additional apps or use services that do not need any apps.
charlie-83 2y ago
All messages are e2e encrypted though right?
- ideashower 2y ago
  Messages are. I do not believe that metadata about the messages are, however. So they know who you're speaking to, at what frequency, and from where.
  - charlie-83 2y ago
    Fair enough. That's not a problem to me but I can see it being an issue for people requiring complete anonymity. Are there any alternatives to WhatsApp that would fix this problem?
    - johnisgood 2y ago
      Ricochet Refresh, but it is missing crucial features. Try Briar, I think it does not store metadata either?
    - berkes 2y ago
      Signal. But not because they cannot read this metadata (they can) but because they promise they don't.
- JonnyaiR 2y ago
  my mom showed me her phone the other day - she had updated her Whatsapp App and now the search bar has changed from "search your chats" to "search chats or ask Meta AI anything". I've googled a bit but did not find an option to disable meta AI and also found no definitive answer what Meta AI actually does - if i search for a chat, does it use this chat as context to provide answers? does it run locally (i highly doubt that)? is it only another interface to chat with an llm? It sure seems that this might be a stepping stone to pipe Whatsapp Messages into Meta AI and thus ignoring e2ee, not sure if it's done already but the line is getting quite thin.
  - karn97 2y ago
    Whatsapp has no meta ai built in
    - moschetti1 2y ago
      I think they are rolling it out, i don't have it but a couple of friends do. I guess they are testing
    - abdullahkhalids 2y ago
      I have whatsapp open on my phone right now. There is blue-pink button on the home screen in the lower right corner. If you press it, it switches to a chat that says "Ask Meta AI anything".
aargh_aargh 2y ago
So this is a special case where two wrongs DO make a right when directed at a single victim?
sschueller 2y ago
What guarantee do I have that what moves between soft keyboard and the message window is not intercepted and same goes for displayed messages? It's a closed source client. End to end encryption means nothing.

FirmwareBurner 2y ago

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master-lincoln 2y ago
I don't think there was any moral critique in what I wrote. I just commented on OPs > so you maintain full control and privacy Of course everybody is free to chose who they hand over data to. One more comment to your writing: > take their favorite apps away there was no mention of taking anybody's app away. If people want to contact me they will need to use something that is not owned by a big advertising company. One can install additional apps or use services that do not need any apps.

charlie-83 2y ago

All messages are e2e encrypted though right?

ideashower 2y ago
Messages are. I do not believe that metadata about the messages are, however. So they know who you're speaking to, at what frequency, and from where.
- charlie-83 2y ago
  Fair enough. That's not a problem to me but I can see it being an issue for people requiring complete anonymity. Are there any alternatives to WhatsApp that would fix this problem?
  - johnisgood 2y ago
    Ricochet Refresh, but it is missing crucial features. Try Briar, I think it does not store metadata either?
  - berkes 2y ago
    Signal. But not because they cannot read this metadata (they can) but because they promise they don't.
JonnyaiR 2y ago
my mom showed me her phone the other day - she had updated her Whatsapp App and now the search bar has changed from "search your chats" to "search chats or ask Meta AI anything". I've googled a bit but did not find an option to disable meta AI and also found no definitive answer what Meta AI actually does - if i search for a chat, does it use this chat as context to provide answers? does it run locally (i highly doubt that)? is it only another interface to chat with an llm? It sure seems that this might be a stepping stone to pipe Whatsapp Messages into Meta AI and thus ignoring e2ee, not sure if it's done already but the line is getting quite thin.
- karn97 2y ago
  Whatsapp has no meta ai built in
  - moschetti1 2y ago
    I think they are rolling it out, i don't have it but a couple of friends do. I guess they are testing
  - abdullahkhalids 2y ago
    I have whatsapp open on my phone right now. There is blue-pink button on the home screen in the lower right corner. If you press it, it switches to a chat that says "Ask Meta AI anything".

aargh_aargh 2y ago

So this is a special case where two wrongs DO make a right when directed at a single victim?

sschueller 2y ago

What guarantee do I have that what moves between soft keyboard and the message window is not intercepted and same goes for displayed messages? It's a closed source client. End to end encryption means nothing.