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Mac designer: Samsung phone fooled me

5 points by recoiledsnake 14y ago

DigitalSea 14y ago
The so-called designer in question here is being paid to lie or is sticking up for Apple because she a) used to work for Apple and b) most likely have stock in Apple. How can someone confuse any of Samsung's phones with an iPhone? The screens are sized differently, different logos, the Samsung phones have multiple buttons in comparison to the one button on an iPhone. Each and every day in this court case Apple are losing credibility and looking ridiculous in the process, this won't end well for them due to their biased "experts" tainting their case.
- taligent 14y ago
  So-called designer ? Susan Kare is the most famous icon designer of all time. And she was tasked with analysing ONLY the user interface. So whether the phone has different logos or extra buttons is irrelevant.
  - DigitalSea 14y ago
    Susan is that you? In all seriousness, what famous designer who used to work for the company in question can't tell the difference between the icons of a Samsung phone and an iPhone that the company she used to work for built? Come on, I will admit the icons are similar but even I can tell the difference between the two interfaces. If a company of Apple's stature is basing its entire court case on a few icons looking similar then that is just sad. While we're on the subject, why don't we talk about the similarities between the Android pull-down notification menu and that of Apple's which was introduced long after Android implemented it...
  - bavcyc 14y ago
    I used the iPhone for 6 months (work phone) and purchased a Samsung model as a replacement (in the 2 weeks). I'm not sure how you could confuse the 2 phones. The functionality of the two are different enough that confusing the two is difficult. If the similarity is based on icons and using icons to open programs, wasn't this done at PARC? Or the original Mac? I'd think those are both prior art, or possibly even the Palm PDAs. At this point I'm not sure which phone I like better, both tend to work which is my main requirement.
    - bavcyc 14y ago
      Look at the LG Prada, released late 2006 -early 2007, has/had a similar home screen to the screen shown in the article that was used for the patent. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LG_Prada http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LG_Prada I think multiple paths have led to similar (not copied) phones.
Posibyte 14y ago
Sometimes I, too, wake up with a brain injury.
georgemcbay 14y ago
I'm not that big a fan of Kare's work (shh, don't tell my ex-chumby coworkers), but I can't fault her here. I've touched on this in another HN post, but I'm a big Android fan/booster who dislikes Apple for a lot of their business practices. Having said that, I also think Samsung is actually somewhat toxic for the Android community in that anyone with a bit of common sense can see that they do, in fact, borrow a bit too much from Apple with their hardware designs and custom UI skin look. This is bad for the wider Android ecosystem because it gives some truth to Apple's claims that "Android" rips off the iPhone/iPad even though IMO the core Android UI/UX stands on its own merits and in many ways bests the somewhat aging UX of the iPhone. What little soapbox Apple has to stand on is primarily due to Samsung being both unwilling to roll with standard Android UI and also lacking their own design talent capable of doing much other than badly copying Apple. As a former iPhone 3G user who went Android with the Droid I thought for years that Apple was completely full of shit with their anti-Android stuff, but a few months ago I actually used a friend's Samsung Android phone for the first time and my opinion changed fairly drastically when I saw how blatantly it copied the iPhone 3G in terms of form factor and general look. This likeness went far beyond "Apple thinks they own the rectangle", but sadly because Samsung is so shameless, those claims actually end up having more weight than they should.

5 points by recoiledsnake 14y ago

The so-called designer in question here is being paid to lie or is sticking up for Apple because she a) used to work for Apple and b) most likely have stock in Apple. How can someone confuse any of Samsung's phones with an iPhone? The screens are sized differently, different logos, the Samsung phones have multiple buttons in comparison to the one button on an iPhone. Each and every day in this court case Apple are losing credibility and looking ridiculous in the process, this won't end well for them due to their biased "experts" tainting their case.

taligent 14y ago
So-called designer ? Susan Kare is the most famous icon designer of all time. And she was tasked with analysing ONLY the user interface. So whether the phone has different logos or extra buttons is irrelevant.
- DigitalSea 14y ago
  Susan is that you? In all seriousness, what famous designer who used to work for the company in question can't tell the difference between the icons of a Samsung phone and an iPhone that the company she used to work for built? Come on, I will admit the icons are similar but even I can tell the difference between the two interfaces. If a company of Apple's stature is basing its entire court case on a few icons looking similar then that is just sad. While we're on the subject, why don't we talk about the similarities between the Android pull-down notification menu and that of Apple's which was introduced long after Android implemented it...
- bavcyc 14y ago
  I used the iPhone for 6 months (work phone) and purchased a Samsung model as a replacement (in the 2 weeks). I'm not sure how you could confuse the 2 phones. The functionality of the two are different enough that confusing the two is difficult. If the similarity is based on icons and using icons to open programs, wasn't this done at PARC? Or the original Mac? I'd think those are both prior art, or possibly even the Palm PDAs. At this point I'm not sure which phone I like better, both tend to work which is my main requirement.
  - bavcyc 14y ago
    Look at the LG Prada, released late 2006 -early 2007, has/had a similar home screen to the screen shown in the article that was used for the patent. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LG_Prada http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LG_Prada I think multiple paths have led to similar (not copied) phones.

Posibyte 14y ago

Sometimes I, too, wake up with a brain injury.

georgemcbay 14y ago

I'm not that big a fan of Kare's work (shh, don't tell my ex-chumby coworkers), but I can't fault her here. I've touched on this in another HN post, but I'm a big Android fan/booster who dislikes Apple for a lot of their business practices. Having said that, I also think Samsung is actually somewhat toxic for the Android community in that anyone with a bit of common sense can see that they do, in fact, borrow a bit too much from Apple with their hardware designs and custom UI skin look. This is bad for the wider Android ecosystem because it gives some truth to Apple's claims that "Android" rips off the iPhone/iPad even though IMO the core Android UI/UX stands on its own merits and in many ways bests the somewhat aging UX of the iPhone. What little soapbox Apple has to stand on is primarily due to Samsung being both unwilling to roll with standard Android UI and also lacking their own design talent capable of doing much other than badly copying Apple. As a former iPhone 3G user who went Android with the Droid I thought for years that Apple was completely full of shit with their anti-Android stuff, but a few months ago I actually used a friend's Samsung Android phone for the first time and my opinion changed fairly drastically when I saw how blatantly it copied the iPhone 3G in terms of form factor and general look. This likeness went far beyond "Apple thinks they own the rectangle", but sadly because Samsung is so shameless, those claims actually end up having more weight than they should.