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Yes, we could organize gatherings where we purify ourselves of such works of degenerate literature by gathering all the copies we can find and burning them /s

lukan 2y ago
Just don't burn the wrong type of books https://xkcd.com/750/ https://xkcd.com/750/
suraci 2y ago
starting with Clean Code
hagbard_c 2y ago
That's the wrong way - the way of the likes of 'fascists' and 'anti-fascists' alike - to go at that problem. A better way is to point out where Hegelian thought can lead and has led in the past. No books need to be burned, more books need to be published and read while educational institutions should stop pushing books which promote the destructive aspects of Hegel's thoughts. Yes, that means that Howard Zinn should not be used as the historian of choice in the USA, that all the different 'Marxist critique/perspective on ...' studies are not the ones to base the curriculum on and that terms like 'decolonising Shakespeare' [1] should become the exception rather than the rule when dealing with the cultural inheritance of 'the West'. I understand that you were trying to sound edgy but the effort falls flat in the light of the many examples of 'book burnings' - between quotes because physical book burnings are out of vogue - by the authoritarian progressives who slowly marched through the institutions of academia. National socialists censored books by burning them, international socialists censor them by 'decolonising' the curriculum [2] and the library [3]. [1] https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-audacity-of-decolonising-shakespeare/ https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-audacity-of-decoloni... [2] https://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/by-topic/industry-news/libraries/article/85127-what-it-means-to-decolonize-the-library.html https://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/by-topic/industry-news/l... [3] https://duckduckgo.com/?t=h_&q=decolonising+the+library https://duckduckgo.com/?t=h_&q=decolonising+the+library
- thomassmith65 2y ago
  I appreciate the thought put into this reply, but there's been some sort of miscommunication. An /s tag, like the one at the end of my previous comment, is meant to indicate sarcasm. I'm about as edgy a person as Donny Osmond.
- DeathArrow 2y ago
  Exactly my view. People should be more educated, not less.
  - bilbo0s 2y ago
    while educational institutions should stop pushing books which promote the destructive aspects of Hegel's thoughts Well, I mean, you are kind of less educated if you only learn from books that are.. um.. "consistent with scripture" so to speak.
    - hagbard_c 2y ago
      There is a difference between 'pushing' those books and taking their message into account in the curriculum. I did not call for a ban on such books - just before the part you quoted I said No books need to be burned, more books need to be published and read - but they should not be the leading voices. > you are kind of less educated if you only learn from books that are.. [..] "consistent with scripture" so to speak. Howard Zinn's A People's History of the United States and similarly biased publications can be considered scripture [see also 1] in 'progressive' circles, especially those found around educational institutions. They have been used extensively for decades while educational outcomes have plummeted which proves the veracity of your claim but probably not in the way you intended. [1] https://page-one.springer.com/pdf/preview/10.1007/978-1-349-16375-5_10 https://page-one.springer.com/pdf/preview/10.1007/978-1-349-...
      - bilbo0s 2y ago
        They have been used extensively for decades while educational outcomes have plummeted which proves the veracity of your claim I'm confused? That seems to prove exactly what I was saying. That if you only allow kids to read the books that are "consistent with scripture" they are less educated. I'll take this opportunity to add that making any "scripture" the leading voices, leads to less educated kids. Your ideas will lead to the "dumbing down" of a society. I mean, maybe it will be a society sufficiently dumb enough to accept the doctrinal import of your preferred scriptures? But it'd still be a pretty dumb society.

lukan 2y ago

Just don't burn the wrong type of books https://xkcd.com/750/ https://xkcd.com/750/

suraci 2y ago

starting with Clean Code

hagbard_c 2y ago

That's the wrong way - the way of the likes of 'fascists' and 'anti-fascists' alike - to go at that problem. A better way is to point out where Hegelian thought can lead and has led in the past. No books need to be burned, more books need to be published and read while educational institutions should stop pushing books which promote the destructive aspects of Hegel's thoughts. Yes, that means that Howard Zinn should not be used as the historian of choice in the USA, that all the different 'Marxist critique/perspective on ...' studies are not the ones to base the curriculum on and that terms like 'decolonising Shakespeare' [1] should become the exception rather than the rule when dealing with the cultural inheritance of 'the West'. I understand that you were trying to sound edgy but the effort falls flat in the light of the many examples of 'book burnings' - between quotes because physical book burnings are out of vogue - by the authoritarian progressives who slowly marched through the institutions of academia. National socialists censored books by burning them, international socialists censor them by 'decolonising' the curriculum [2] and the library [3]. [1] https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-audacity-of-decolonising-shakespeare/ https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-audacity-of-decoloni... [2] https://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/by-topic/industry-news/libraries/article/85127-what-it-means-to-decolonize-the-library.html https://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/by-topic/industry-news/l... [3] https://duckduckgo.com/?t=h_&q=decolonising+the+library https://duckduckgo.com/?t=h_&q=decolonising+the+library

thomassmith65 2y ago
I appreciate the thought put into this reply, but there's been some sort of miscommunication. An /s tag, like the one at the end of my previous comment, is meant to indicate sarcasm. I'm about as edgy a person as Donny Osmond.
DeathArrow 2y ago
Exactly my view. People should be more educated, not less.
- bilbo0s 2y ago
  while educational institutions should stop pushing books which promote the destructive aspects of Hegel's thoughts Well, I mean, you are kind of less educated if you only learn from books that are.. um.. "consistent with scripture" so to speak.
  - hagbard_c 2y ago
    There is a difference between 'pushing' those books and taking their message into account in the curriculum. I did not call for a ban on such books - just before the part you quoted I said No books need to be burned, more books need to be published and read - but they should not be the leading voices. > you are kind of less educated if you only learn from books that are.. [..] "consistent with scripture" so to speak. Howard Zinn's A People's History of the United States and similarly biased publications can be considered scripture [see also 1] in 'progressive' circles, especially those found around educational institutions. They have been used extensively for decades while educational outcomes have plummeted which proves the veracity of your claim but probably not in the way you intended. [1] https://page-one.springer.com/pdf/preview/10.1007/978-1-349-16375-5_10 https://page-one.springer.com/pdf/preview/10.1007/978-1-349-...
    - bilbo0s 2y ago
      They have been used extensively for decades while educational outcomes have plummeted which proves the veracity of your claim I'm confused? That seems to prove exactly what I was saying. That if you only allow kids to read the books that are "consistent with scripture" they are less educated. I'll take this opportunity to add that making any "scripture" the leading voices, leads to less educated kids. Your ideas will lead to the "dumbing down" of a society. I mean, maybe it will be a society sufficiently dumb enough to accept the doctrinal import of your preferred scriptures? But it'd still be a pretty dumb society.