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At which point do people decide to finally use the rights given to them by the 2nd amendment? It's really a shame seeing how many school kids had to die for th

At which point do people decide to finally use the rights given to them by the 2nd amendment? It's really a shame seeing how many school kids had to die for this supposedly necessary right - decades of pretending that it was a necessary cost to protect the US against tyranny.

water-data-dude 2y ago
People have mistaken the symbol for the thing symbolized. The second amendment, in SPIRIT, is about protecting our ability to dissent and protest our government if it becomes tyrannical. If the people who are loudest about upholding the LETTER of the second amendment were actually serious about it then they’d also be advocating for strong cryptography and due process, and opposed to mass surveillance.
jzackpete 2y ago
how many people do you know who actually believe in the 2nd amendment and don't support trump? do you even live in the US?
- dns_snek 2y ago
  I don't know anyone since I don't live in the US, but statistics[1] show that gun ownership among democrats is at 20% compared to 45% among republicans. It's substantially lower but still in the same order of magnitude. [1] https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/07/24/key-facts-about-americans-and-guns/ https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/07/24/key-facts...
red-iron-pine 2y ago
the only group that is serious about the 2nd are usually the ones in favor of Trump, unfortunately. the anti-MAGA-action crowd still has not given up on the 1st Amendment, to the chagrin of the world and 2/3 of the US population. far too many think that retweets or FB posts constitute action
jfengel 2y ago
Your popgun isn't going to do anything except get you killed. The Second Amendment was intended to support fending off foreign invaders -- that whole "well regulated militia" thing. There wasn't a standing army at the time. As soon as we got one, the "second amendment" became moot. The army is going to be extremely reluctant to fire on Americans. But if you come at them with a gun, they'll do it. You don't have even a billionth of their firepower.

water-data-dude 2y ago

People have mistaken the symbol for the thing symbolized. The second amendment, in SPIRIT, is about protecting our ability to dissent and protest our government if it becomes tyrannical. If the people who are loudest about upholding the LETTER of the second amendment were actually serious about it then they’d also be advocating for strong cryptography and due process, and opposed to mass surveillance.

jzackpete 2y ago

how many people do you know who actually believe in the 2nd amendment and don't support trump? do you even live in the US?

dns_snek 2y ago
I don't know anyone since I don't live in the US, but statistics[1] show that gun ownership among democrats is at 20% compared to 45% among republicans. It's substantially lower but still in the same order of magnitude. [1] https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/07/24/key-facts-about-americans-and-guns/ https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/07/24/key-facts...

red-iron-pine 2y ago

the only group that is serious about the 2nd are usually the ones in favor of Trump, unfortunately. the anti-MAGA-action crowd still has not given up on the 1st Amendment, to the chagrin of the world and 2/3 of the US population. far too many think that retweets or FB posts constitute action

jfengel 2y ago

Your popgun isn't going to do anything except get you killed. The Second Amendment was intended to support fending off foreign invaders -- that whole "well regulated militia" thing. There wasn't a standing army at the time. As soon as we got one, the "second amendment" became moot. The army is going to be extremely reluctant to fire on Americans. But if you come at them with a gun, they'll do it. You don't have even a billionth of their firepower.