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"Disappeared"? Maybe I'm too old but this millennial podcast talk is really cringe to me. This appears to be a map of people awaiting deportation.

unsnap_biceps 2y ago
No, the map is of the folks that ended up in a detainment facility in a foreign country without being processed in the judicial system. The majority are in the Terrorism Confinement Center in Tecoluca, El Salvador. People are calling it "Disappeared" because once the people are out of the United States, they're out of United States judicial jurisdiction and administrative jurisdiction. ICE will not arrange for family to communicate with the deported people, so in their eyes, the person has just disappeared and they can't communicate with them. As a country, we're better than this. Deporting them back to their home country is great. Going up to a judge and getting a conviction if we want to jail them, great. Taking them off the street and putting them in a jail in a country they're not a citizen of without going in front of a judge? No. That's not right at all.
timeon 2y ago
Sure 'deportation' is more fitting. As it was already in 1940s.
- declan_roberts 2y ago
  Did history start and end for you in WWII?
pas 2y ago
deportation is a legal process, this is people getting snatched on the streets. it did not start this month [1], ICE was always a big fucking void of basic civility, but that does not change the nature of these renditions. people held at these facilities usually have a good chance of getting a habeas corpus hearing in front of a federal court after 6-12 months. the federal courts are completely aware that the Immigration Courts (part of DoJ) are extremely backlogged. (which is ... a funding issue of course. which is again a direct consequence of how Congress views people.) since these detention facilities are run for-profit it makes sense for ICE to prioritize dealing with cases that the courts "highlight". this makes "everyone" happy, ICE makes the numbers, the contractors are happy, what else could you wish for? [2] [1] ICE/DHS in 2009 determined he's a citizen, then changed its position in 2016, and now claims that he never got citizenship because of a change of the constitution of El Salvador in 1983 ... https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/man-detained-ice-claims-citizenship-rcna198012 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/man-detained-ice-claims-... [2] https://www.techdirt.com/2025/03/28/ice-arrested-and-detained-a-us-citizen-for-hours-because-he-looked-mexican/ https://www.techdirt.com/2025/03/28/ice-arrested-and-detaine...
cratermoon 2y ago
But "disappeared" is not a millennial term. It's been around at least since the Central American wars of the 1980s, mostly referring to events in El Salvador. Earlier references suggest it was used in the Northern Ireland in the 70s. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enforced_disappearance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enforced_disappearance

unsnap_biceps 2y ago

No, the map is of the folks that ended up in a detainment facility in a foreign country without being processed in the judicial system. The majority are in the Terrorism Confinement Center in Tecoluca, El Salvador. People are calling it "Disappeared" because once the people are out of the United States, they're out of United States judicial jurisdiction and administrative jurisdiction. ICE will not arrange for family to communicate with the deported people, so in their eyes, the person has just disappeared and they can't communicate with them. As a country, we're better than this. Deporting them back to their home country is great. Going up to a judge and getting a conviction if we want to jail them, great. Taking them off the street and putting them in a jail in a country they're not a citizen of without going in front of a judge? No. That's not right at all.

timeon 2y ago

Sure 'deportation' is more fitting. As it was already in 1940s.

declan_roberts 2y ago
Did history start and end for you in WWII?

pas 2y ago

deportation is a legal process, this is people getting snatched on the streets. it did not start this month [1], ICE was always a big fucking void of basic civility, but that does not change the nature of these renditions. people held at these facilities usually have a good chance of getting a habeas corpus hearing in front of a federal court after 6-12 months. the federal courts are completely aware that the Immigration Courts (part of DoJ) are extremely backlogged. (which is ... a funding issue of course. which is again a direct consequence of how Congress views people.) since these detention facilities are run for-profit it makes sense for ICE to prioritize dealing with cases that the courts "highlight". this makes "everyone" happy, ICE makes the numbers, the contractors are happy, what else could you wish for? [2] [1] ICE/DHS in 2009 determined he's a citizen, then changed its position in 2016, and now claims that he never got citizenship because of a change of the constitution of El Salvador in 1983 ... https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/man-detained-ice-claims-citizenship-rcna198012 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/man-detained-ice-claims-... [2] https://www.techdirt.com/2025/03/28/ice-arrested-and-detained-a-us-citizen-for-hours-because-he-looked-mexican/ https://www.techdirt.com/2025/03/28/ice-arrested-and-detaine...

cratermoon 2y ago

But "disappeared" is not a millennial term. It's been around at least since the Central American wars of the 1980s, mostly referring to events in El Salvador. Earlier references suggest it was used in the Northern Ireland in the 70s. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enforced_disappearance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enforced_disappearance