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This is BS that Trump is making up so he can say the USA is at war and deport people without due process. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-judge-extends-bl

This is BS that Trump is making up so he can say the USA is at war and deport people without due process. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-judge-extends-block-trump-use-wartime-law-deportations-2025-03-28/ https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-judge-extends-block-trum...

andreygrehov 2y ago
You can disagree with Trump as much as you want. There is an executive order signed by the President. None of those Reuters and the like explanations matter. Given the executive order is in place, it doesn’t matter who signed it. Since it’s coming from the White House, it’s perfectly valid to reference it.
- citizenkeen 2y ago
  Executive Orders are not law.
  - andreygrehov 2y ago
    Yet they can be referenced as the official position of the government.
    - sorcerer-mar 2y ago
      The official position of one branch of our tripartite government.
- sorcerer-mar 2y ago
  Presidents can't declare war, so no, the US is not at war in either a technical legal sense nor in a practical sense. It's also not "an invasion" as per the Alien Enemies Act as clearly, Tren de Agua is not a government or a nation.
  - andreygrehov 2y ago
    Ukraine is not at war with Russia. Russia is not at war with Ukraine. Yet, Ukraine drafts its men like rats. But wait - I can’t reference information shared by the White House because it’s all BS? Look, I’m not saying an executive order is a law, but it’s also not a sticky note. And let’s be honest, a ton of illegals have been coming to the U.S. Trump’s executive order didn’t come out of thin air.
    - sorcerer-mar 2y ago
      I'm sorry it seems you're just not aware of how laws work. Ukraine has different laws than the US. Under Ukrainian law, drafts are legal in their current situation. Under American law, deporting people without due process is not legal in our current situation. In fact, even if the US were at war where an invocation of the Alien Enemies Act made sense, even then people are owed individualized due process before deportation to ascertain whether they are in fact an Alien Enemy. Of course you can reference information shared by the White House, but there's a difference between referencing it and asserting that it has legal authority that it doesn't have under our legal system. In our legal system, the White House's memos cannot overrule people's Constitutional protections, even if they're attempting to solve an actual problem. The "out of thin air"edness of the EO is irrelevant to its legal authority.
      - andreygrehov 2y ago
        I never said Ukraine is doing anything illegal (although the legality of literally dragging people into a military car might be something to question). See my very first comment. Watch the video on Slate, then watch the videos I shared. Looks like many people on HN are getting triggered when you mention the inhumane treatment of Ukrainian men by Ukraine.
        sorcerer-mar 2y ago
        Your initial comment was meant to draw some type of equivalence between a person being arrested in America for writing an op-ed and for people being drafted for war in Ukraine. Now you're 5 comments deep tying yourself in odd knots like "the US is being invaded by a foreign government" and "Ukraine is not at war" and "executive orders can overrule Constitutional due process rights." You created your own confusion, my friend. An asinine starting position like your initial equivalence will do that to ya.

andreygrehov 2y ago

You can disagree with Trump as much as you want. There is an executive order signed by the President. None of those Reuters and the like explanations matter. Given the executive order is in place, it doesn’t matter who signed it. Since it’s coming from the White House, it’s perfectly valid to reference it.

citizenkeen 2y ago
Executive Orders are not law.
- andreygrehov 2y ago
  Yet they can be referenced as the official position of the government.
  - sorcerer-mar 2y ago
    The official position of one branch of our tripartite government.
sorcerer-mar 2y ago
Presidents can't declare war, so no, the US is not at war in either a technical legal sense nor in a practical sense. It's also not "an invasion" as per the Alien Enemies Act as clearly, Tren de Agua is not a government or a nation.
- andreygrehov 2y ago
  Ukraine is not at war with Russia. Russia is not at war with Ukraine. Yet, Ukraine drafts its men like rats. But wait - I can’t reference information shared by the White House because it’s all BS? Look, I’m not saying an executive order is a law, but it’s also not a sticky note. And let’s be honest, a ton of illegals have been coming to the U.S. Trump’s executive order didn’t come out of thin air.
  - sorcerer-mar 2y ago
    I'm sorry it seems you're just not aware of how laws work. Ukraine has different laws than the US. Under Ukrainian law, drafts are legal in their current situation. Under American law, deporting people without due process is not legal in our current situation. In fact, even if the US were at war where an invocation of the Alien Enemies Act made sense, even then people are owed individualized due process before deportation to ascertain whether they are in fact an Alien Enemy. Of course you can reference information shared by the White House, but there's a difference between referencing it and asserting that it has legal authority that it doesn't have under our legal system. In our legal system, the White House's memos cannot overrule people's Constitutional protections, even if they're attempting to solve an actual problem. The "out of thin air"edness of the EO is irrelevant to its legal authority.
    - andreygrehov 2y ago
      I never said Ukraine is doing anything illegal (although the legality of literally dragging people into a military car might be something to question). See my very first comment. Watch the video on Slate, then watch the videos I shared. Looks like many people on HN are getting triggered when you mention the inhumane treatment of Ukrainian men by Ukraine.
      - sorcerer-mar 2y ago
        Your initial comment was meant to draw some type of equivalence between a person being arrested in America for writing an op-ed and for people being drafted for war in Ukraine. Now you're 5 comments deep tying yourself in odd knots like "the US is being invaded by a foreign government" and "Ukraine is not at war" and "executive orders can overrule Constitutional due process rights." You created your own confusion, my friend. An asinine starting position like your initial equivalence will do that to ya.