I think we're using different definitions for experienced. Junior developers are still very much more experienced than a student, and won't be making 80k/year

I think we're using different definitions for experienced. Junior developers are still very much more experienced than a student, and won't be making 80k/year anywhere except DC/NYC/LA. But I find that salary comparisons quickly go downhill on HN because of the bubble that we live in here, so I'm just going to let this conversation go.