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Trump isn’t the source of that, but a manifestation of it. People are tired of, eg, systemic discrimination being forced on them by elites (euphemized “DIE”) o

Trump isn’t the source of that, but a manifestation of it. People are tired of, eg, systemic discrimination being forced on them by elites (euphemized “DIE”) or courts which have outspoken activists refusing to enforce the law against career criminals. They want it to stop — and since elites refused to onboard that correction, they rallied behind a strongman to punish them.

tdb7893 2y ago
He's very very much not the source of this. It's been ascendant literally my whole life, my first foray into really thinking about politics was trying to convince my friends that humans caused climate change and there wasn't a conspiracy of climate scientists trying to trick them so they can get more grant money. You can see him pretty clearly expanding on and exploiting those existing currents though. One of the ways he got big in American politics is his support of the "birther" movement where he was convinced Obama wasn't born in the US (which, to be clear, was a ridiculous claim and especially galling to me since my birth certificate is from the same hospital and looks almost exactly like his). His political persona gas always been tied to the idea this idea that people are lying and working against America even if he didn't originate the idea. Edit: also tone is hard to parse on the internet so I'll clarify that this isn't really meant as an argument, it doesn't seem like we really disagree on what Trump's politics is about (even if we have different opinions on those politics). I mainly just wanted to clarify that I saw this long before Trump, even if he's now emblematic of it.
aredox 2y ago
>systemic discrimination being forced on them by elites ... Pot, meet kettle.
PartiallyTyped 2y ago
Trump and his ilk are literally “elites”, richest cabinet in history and that’s excluding the unelected SS cutter that meddles into everything. DEI, just so you know, also covers programmes that help poor communities by providing funding for education.
- leovingi 2y ago
  My entire life, professional and otherwise, DEI has ultimately stood for nothing other than "less white people". Of course it's dressed up in definitions that sound beautiful and moral to the supporters of DEI, but at the end of the day whenever someone uses the term "diverse" they are talking about "less white people". When the company John Lewis was criticized for a lack of diversity [1], it was because they had too many whites. When the Academy Awards were criticized for a lack of diversity [2], it was because they had too many whites. When the EU institutions were criticized for a lack of diversity [3], it was because they had too many whites. When the BAFTAs were criticized for a lack of diversity [4], it was because they had too many whites. When investigative journalism in the US was criticized for a lack of diversity [5], it was because they had too many whites. When the show "Friends" was criticized for a lack of diversity [6], it was because they had too many whites. After decades and decades of this blatant animosity against people like me I can honestly say I do not care at all what Trump does to these programs or how he goes about destroying them, as long as they are destroyed and the people that supported them punished. [1] https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/jun/16/john-lewis-criticised-for-lack-of-diversity-in-uk-top-ranks https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/jun/16/john-lewis-... [2] https://www.wishtv.com/news/awards-shows-have-been-criticized-for-their-lack-of-diversity-for-years-why-are-they-so-slow-to-change/ https://www.wishtv.com/news/awards-shows-have-been-criticize... [3] https://www.theparliamentmagazine.eu/news/article/oped-lack-of-racial-diversity-continues-to-blight-eu-affairs https://www.theparliamentmagazine.eu/news/article/oped-lack-... [4] https://www.willistonian.org/baftas-criticized-for-lack-of-diversity/ https://www.willistonian.org/baftas-criticized-for-lack-of-d... [5] https://www.poynter.org/business-work/2020/investigative-journalism-long-criticized-for-a-lack-of-diversity-has-made-significant-developments-since-march/ https://www.poynter.org/business-work/2020/investigative-jou... [6] https://metro.co.uk/2023/04/02/lack-of-diversity-on-friends-mocked-on-snl-after-years-of-criticism-18542168/ https://metro.co.uk/2023/04/02/lack-of-diversity-on-friends-...
  - PartiallyTyped 2y ago
    And here I was talking about consequential stuff, like helping impoverished communities, adding guardrails to prevent old-boys clubs and enable skilled individuals to enter fields without prejudice for “being black” or “being gay”. Who cares about criticism over inconsequential stuff? Is it that difficult to care about impoverished people? The meals for kids at schools is a “dei” program, and republicans axed it, well done! The repubs are also sending kids to work overtime and during the night, effectively gutting their future, and of course it’s the impoverished kids who will have to do that.

tdb7893 2y ago

He's very very much not the source of this. It's been ascendant literally my whole life, my first foray into really thinking about politics was trying to convince my friends that humans caused climate change and there wasn't a conspiracy of climate scientists trying to trick them so they can get more grant money. You can see him pretty clearly expanding on and exploiting those existing currents though. One of the ways he got big in American politics is his support of the "birther" movement where he was convinced Obama wasn't born in the US (which, to be clear, was a ridiculous claim and especially galling to me since my birth certificate is from the same hospital and looks almost exactly like his). His political persona gas always been tied to the idea this idea that people are lying and working against America even if he didn't originate the idea. Edit: also tone is hard to parse on the internet so I'll clarify that this isn't really meant as an argument, it doesn't seem like we really disagree on what Trump's politics is about (even if we have different opinions on those politics). I mainly just wanted to clarify that I saw this long before Trump, even if he's now emblematic of it.

aredox 2y ago

>systemic discrimination being forced on them by elites ... Pot, meet kettle.

PartiallyTyped 2y ago

Trump and his ilk are literally “elites”, richest cabinet in history and that’s excluding the unelected SS cutter that meddles into everything. DEI, just so you know, also covers programmes that help poor communities by providing funding for education.

leovingi 2y ago
My entire life, professional and otherwise, DEI has ultimately stood for nothing other than "less white people". Of course it's dressed up in definitions that sound beautiful and moral to the supporters of DEI, but at the end of the day whenever someone uses the term "diverse" they are talking about "less white people". When the company John Lewis was criticized for a lack of diversity [1], it was because they had too many whites. When the Academy Awards were criticized for a lack of diversity [2], it was because they had too many whites. When the EU institutions were criticized for a lack of diversity [3], it was because they had too many whites. When the BAFTAs were criticized for a lack of diversity [4], it was because they had too many whites. When investigative journalism in the US was criticized for a lack of diversity [5], it was because they had too many whites. When the show "Friends" was criticized for a lack of diversity [6], it was because they had too many whites. After decades and decades of this blatant animosity against people like me I can honestly say I do not care at all what Trump does to these programs or how he goes about destroying them, as long as they are destroyed and the people that supported them punished. [1] https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/jun/16/john-lewis-criticised-for-lack-of-diversity-in-uk-top-ranks https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/jun/16/john-lewis-... [2] https://www.wishtv.com/news/awards-shows-have-been-criticized-for-their-lack-of-diversity-for-years-why-are-they-so-slow-to-change/ https://www.wishtv.com/news/awards-shows-have-been-criticize... [3] https://www.theparliamentmagazine.eu/news/article/oped-lack-of-racial-diversity-continues-to-blight-eu-affairs https://www.theparliamentmagazine.eu/news/article/oped-lack-... [4] https://www.willistonian.org/baftas-criticized-for-lack-of-diversity/ https://www.willistonian.org/baftas-criticized-for-lack-of-d... [5] https://www.poynter.org/business-work/2020/investigative-journalism-long-criticized-for-a-lack-of-diversity-has-made-significant-developments-since-march/ https://www.poynter.org/business-work/2020/investigative-jou... [6] https://metro.co.uk/2023/04/02/lack-of-diversity-on-friends-mocked-on-snl-after-years-of-criticism-18542168/ https://metro.co.uk/2023/04/02/lack-of-diversity-on-friends-...
- PartiallyTyped 2y ago
  And here I was talking about consequential stuff, like helping impoverished communities, adding guardrails to prevent old-boys clubs and enable skilled individuals to enter fields without prejudice for “being black” or “being gay”. Who cares about criticism over inconsequential stuff? Is it that difficult to care about impoverished people? The meals for kids at schools is a “dei” program, and republicans axed it, well done! The repubs are also sending kids to work overtime and during the night, effectively gutting their future, and of course it’s the impoverished kids who will have to do that.