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They started this tactic of "They're bad dudes trust us don't need a trial" during the Bush administration and many many people pointed out this would come to o

by aprilthird2021 2y ago

They started this tactic of "They're bad dudes trust us don't need a trial" during the Bush administration and many many people pointed out this would come to our shores soon, and it did and it's here again.

soraminazuki 2y ago
Yeah, not prosecuting serious violations of law like war crimes, tortue, and mass surveillance was a serious mistake that lead to this situation. It reinforced a culture of impunity for those in power. Because people allowed this to happen, the current administration is now more emboldened than its recent predecessors ever have been.
- mrtesthah 2y ago
  Even if the Obama administration had prosecuted GWB, the recent Supreme Court ruling on Trump's presidential immunity would have superseded all that. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/read-the-full-supreme-court-decision-on-trump-and-presidential-immunity https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/read-the-full-supreme-...
  - soraminazuki 2y ago
    My point is that even getting to that ruling would've been much harder if there was actual respect for the law and more importantly, the democratic values behind those laws. And by respect, I mean the general population actually enforcing it by holding those in power accountable.
    - mrtesthah 2y ago
      True, in the event that government fails to hold someone accountable, it falls on the people to do that instead. I think there are different visions of what that justice looks like when carried out that way.
vmladenov 2y ago
In the end it all comes back to the PATRIOT Act and GWOT
- redog 2y ago
  Even more so Citizens United and Reganism.
abustamam 2y ago
Obama ordered the assassination of a US citizen[0] with no due process, so I don't think the rhetoric of "they're bad dudes trust us" ever really went away. Tried to hide it, maybe, but never gone. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anwar_al-Awlaki https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anwar_al-Awlaki

soraminazuki 2y ago

Yeah, not prosecuting serious violations of law like war crimes, tortue, and mass surveillance was a serious mistake that lead to this situation. It reinforced a culture of impunity for those in power. Because people allowed this to happen, the current administration is now more emboldened than its recent predecessors ever have been.

mrtesthah 2y ago
Even if the Obama administration had prosecuted GWB, the recent Supreme Court ruling on Trump's presidential immunity would have superseded all that. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/read-the-full-supreme-court-decision-on-trump-and-presidential-immunity https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/read-the-full-supreme-...
- soraminazuki 2y ago
  My point is that even getting to that ruling would've been much harder if there was actual respect for the law and more importantly, the democratic values behind those laws. And by respect, I mean the general population actually enforcing it by holding those in power accountable.
  - mrtesthah 2y ago
    True, in the event that government fails to hold someone accountable, it falls on the people to do that instead. I think there are different visions of what that justice looks like when carried out that way.

vmladenov 2y ago

In the end it all comes back to the PATRIOT Act and GWOT

redog 2y ago
Even more so Citizens United and Reganism.

abustamam 2y ago

Obama ordered the assassination of a US citizen[0] with no due process, so I don't think the rhetoric of "they're bad dudes trust us" ever really went away. Tried to hide it, maybe, but never gone. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anwar_al-Awlaki https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anwar_al-Awlaki