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I don't think this is normal: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Y0iiww5KFTg https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Y0iiww5KFTg

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nozzlegear 2y ago
The US is not at war, isn't being invaded by an aggressive neighboring country, and doesn't have an active draft. That is the key difference that you're obtusely refusing to acknowledge here.
- andreygrehov 2y ago
  I never said the US is at war with anybody. I said: "that reminds me of what's happening in my hometown in Ukraine". > isn't being invaded According to the White House, there is an invasion: https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/protecting-the-american-people-against-invasion/ https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/prot...
  - dbmikus 2y ago
    This is BS that Trump is making up so he can say the USA is at war and deport people without due process. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-judge-extends-block-trump-use-wartime-law-deportations-2025-03-28/ https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-judge-extends-block-trum...
    - andreygrehov 2y ago
      You can disagree with Trump as much as you want. There is an executive order signed by the President. None of those Reuters and the like explanations matter. Given the executive order is in place, it doesn’t matter who signed it. Since it’s coming from the White House, it’s perfectly valid to reference it.
      - citizenkeen 2y ago
        Executive Orders are not law.
        andreygrehov 2y ago
        Yet they can be referenced as the official position of the government.
        sorcerer-mar 2y ago
        The official position of one branch of our tripartite government.
      - sorcerer-mar 2y ago
        Presidents can't declare war, so no, the US is not at war in either a technical legal sense nor in a practical sense. It's also not "an invasion" as per the Alien Enemies Act as clearly, Tren de Agua is not a government or a nation.
        andreygrehov 2y ago
        Ukraine is not at war with Russia. Russia is not at war with Ukraine. Yet, Ukraine drafts its men like rats. But wait - I can’t reference information shared by the White House because it’s all BS? Look, I’m not saying an executive order is a law, but it’s also not a sticky note. And let’s be honest, a ton of illegals have been coming to the U.S. Trump’s executive order didn’t come out of thin air.
        sorcerer-mar 2y ago
        I'm sorry it seems you're just not aware of how laws work. Ukraine has different laws than the US. Under Ukrainian law, drafts are legal in their current situation. Under American law, deporting people without due process is not legal in our current situation. In fact, even if the US were at war where an invocation of the Alien Enemies Act made sense, even then people are owed individualized due process before deportation to ascertain whether they are in fact an Alien Enemy. Of course you can reference information shared by the White House, but there's a difference between referencing it and asserting that it has legal authority that it doesn't have under our legal system. In our legal system, the White House's memos cannot overrule people's Constitutional protections, even if they're attempting to solve an actual problem. The "out of thin air"edness of the EO is irrelevant to its legal authority.
aredox 2y ago
I don't think it is normal to fight to go to nightclubs while others fight and die for everyone's freedom.
- andreygrehov 2y ago
  Well, if the night clubs are working, then what kind of a war is that? Obviously the video is just one of many others, eg it’s not limited to night clubs.
  - aredox 2y ago
    They are open for soldiers on official leave? But keep comparing being arrested by official police for draft dodging in the middle of a war for existence to sending secret hooded officers to arrest a brown-skinned scarf-wearing woman for supposedly antisemitism while your pal Boer Elon is doing Nazi salutes in public.
    - andreygrehov 2y ago
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The US is not at war, isn't being invaded by an aggressive neighboring country, and doesn't have an active draft. That is the key difference that you're obtusely refusing to acknowledge here.

andreygrehov 2y ago
I never said the US is at war with anybody. I said: "that reminds me of what's happening in my hometown in Ukraine". > isn't being invaded According to the White House, there is an invasion: https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/protecting-the-american-people-against-invasion/ https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/prot...
- dbmikus 2y ago
  This is BS that Trump is making up so he can say the USA is at war and deport people without due process. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-judge-extends-block-trump-use-wartime-law-deportations-2025-03-28/ https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-judge-extends-block-trum...
  - andreygrehov 2y ago
    You can disagree with Trump as much as you want. There is an executive order signed by the President. None of those Reuters and the like explanations matter. Given the executive order is in place, it doesn’t matter who signed it. Since it’s coming from the White House, it’s perfectly valid to reference it.
    - citizenkeen 2y ago
      Executive Orders are not law.
      - andreygrehov 2y ago
        Yet they can be referenced as the official position of the government.
        sorcerer-mar 2y ago
        The official position of one branch of our tripartite government.
    - sorcerer-mar 2y ago
      Presidents can't declare war, so no, the US is not at war in either a technical legal sense nor in a practical sense. It's also not "an invasion" as per the Alien Enemies Act as clearly, Tren de Agua is not a government or a nation.
      - andreygrehov 2y ago
        Ukraine is not at war with Russia. Russia is not at war with Ukraine. Yet, Ukraine drafts its men like rats. But wait - I can’t reference information shared by the White House because it’s all BS? Look, I’m not saying an executive order is a law, but it’s also not a sticky note. And let’s be honest, a ton of illegals have been coming to the U.S. Trump’s executive order didn’t come out of thin air.
        sorcerer-mar 2y ago
        I'm sorry it seems you're just not aware of how laws work. Ukraine has different laws than the US. Under Ukrainian law, drafts are legal in their current situation. Under American law, deporting people without due process is not legal in our current situation. In fact, even if the US were at war where an invocation of the Alien Enemies Act made sense, even then people are owed individualized due process before deportation to ascertain whether they are in fact an Alien Enemy. Of course you can reference information shared by the White House, but there's a difference between referencing it and asserting that it has legal authority that it doesn't have under our legal system. In our legal system, the White House's memos cannot overrule people's Constitutional protections, even if they're attempting to solve an actual problem. The "out of thin air"edness of the EO is irrelevant to its legal authority.

aredox 2y ago

I don't think it is normal to fight to go to nightclubs while others fight and die for everyone's freedom.

andreygrehov 2y ago
Well, if the night clubs are working, then what kind of a war is that? Obviously the video is just one of many others, eg it’s not limited to night clubs.
- aredox 2y ago
  They are open for soldiers on official leave? But keep comparing being arrested by official police for draft dodging in the middle of a war for existence to sending secret hooded officers to arrest a brown-skinned scarf-wearing woman for supposedly antisemitism while your pal Boer Elon is doing Nazi salutes in public.
  - andreygrehov 2y ago
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