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Trump had allegedly fired people responsible for FOIA but at the same time we are finally seeing documents that the DOJ and FBI have been slow walking for almos

Trump had allegedly fired people responsible for FOIA but at the same time we are finally seeing documents that the DOJ and FBI have been slow walking for almost 8 years or longer. Some examples, file metadata for Seth Rich's laptop, and obviously files related to the JFK assassination.

shadowgovt 2y ago
Both of these things can be true: the administration can fire people responsible for FOIA while fast-tracking requests they consider high priority with the remaining staff.
stephen_g 2y ago
That they released a set of pretty inconsequential documents and might release some info on political opponents doesn't make up for gutting FOIA!
zip1234 2y ago
On top of that, violating public records laws by using signal chat for official communications with disappearing messages turned on.
- declan_roberts 2y ago
  Are there settings you can apply to Signal that make them compatible with record retention laws?
  - allset_ 2y ago
    No.
  - Volundr 2y ago
    No. Signal stores messages only on the receiving device by design. If there were it would still be irrelevant. They specifically used the settings to delete messages after a few weeks.
- shermantanktop 2y ago
  Turns out you don’t need FOIA when the participants free the information by accident.
asveikau 2y ago
A bunch of papers related to the JFK assassination that say Lee Harvey Oswald did it and acted alone. Who cares? This certainly isn't something that means you should ignore the fact that people are being abducted by plainclothes agents who refuse to identify themselves, and sent to Salvadorean prison camps without any chance for appeal.
- CapricornNoble 2y ago
  > A bunch of papers related to the JFK assassination that say Lee Harvey Oswald did it and acted alone. Who cares? That's not what people are concluding in the information spaces I'm in at all. Many of the CIA documents show highly suspicious travel, activities, and statements, particularly for James Angleton, William King Harvey, and a few others who's names escape me. They lend credence to the theory that Allen Dulles possibly conspired to kill JFK, putting into action henchmen of his still at the CIA after he was fired. You should care if the unelected bureaucrats that run our global intelligence agency can act with such impunity that they can murder a sitting President and cover it up for decades. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1bbdOgIzrI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1bbdOgIzrI We had a Senator say on mainstream news "the intelligence community has 6 ways to get back at you" (in reference to Trump having an antagonistic relationship with the intel community) and nobody batted an eye. Why the fuck would it ever be ok for the CIA to have ways to "get back at" the Commander-in-Chief? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OYyXv2l4-I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OYyXv2l4-I
  - asveikau 2y ago
    Delusional people will see all information as supporting their delusion.
    - raxxorraxor 2y ago
      Who is delusional here? Dulles did explicitely support political murders. It maybe was a different time, but without other evidence what would make you suggest that this isn't in a realm of possiblities? This was and perhaps still is the modus operandi of some public figures. To ignore it is strange at least.
ajross 2y ago
Impeding the release of government info requested by the general public and selectively releasing only items of political value to you or your coalition sounds like exactly the kind of corruption FOIA was supposed to address.

shadowgovt 2y ago

Both of these things can be true: the administration can fire people responsible for FOIA while fast-tracking requests they consider high priority with the remaining staff.

stephen_g 2y ago

That they released a set of pretty inconsequential documents and might release some info on political opponents doesn't make up for gutting FOIA!

zip1234 2y ago

On top of that, violating public records laws by using signal chat for official communications with disappearing messages turned on.

declan_roberts 2y ago
Are there settings you can apply to Signal that make them compatible with record retention laws?
- allset_ 2y ago
  No.
- Volundr 2y ago
  No. Signal stores messages only on the receiving device by design. If there were it would still be irrelevant. They specifically used the settings to delete messages after a few weeks.
shermantanktop 2y ago
Turns out you don’t need FOIA when the participants free the information by accident.

asveikau 2y ago

A bunch of papers related to the JFK assassination that say Lee Harvey Oswald did it and acted alone. Who cares? This certainly isn't something that means you should ignore the fact that people are being abducted by plainclothes agents who refuse to identify themselves, and sent to Salvadorean prison camps without any chance for appeal.

CapricornNoble 2y ago
> A bunch of papers related to the JFK assassination that say Lee Harvey Oswald did it and acted alone. Who cares? That's not what people are concluding in the information spaces I'm in at all. Many of the CIA documents show highly suspicious travel, activities, and statements, particularly for James Angleton, William King Harvey, and a few others who's names escape me. They lend credence to the theory that Allen Dulles possibly conspired to kill JFK, putting into action henchmen of his still at the CIA after he was fired. You should care if the unelected bureaucrats that run our global intelligence agency can act with such impunity that they can murder a sitting President and cover it up for decades. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1bbdOgIzrI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1bbdOgIzrI We had a Senator say on mainstream news "the intelligence community has 6 ways to get back at you" (in reference to Trump having an antagonistic relationship with the intel community) and nobody batted an eye. Why the fuck would it ever be ok for the CIA to have ways to "get back at" the Commander-in-Chief? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OYyXv2l4-I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OYyXv2l4-I
- asveikau 2y ago
  Delusional people will see all information as supporting their delusion.
  - raxxorraxor 2y ago
    Who is delusional here? Dulles did explicitely support political murders. It maybe was a different time, but without other evidence what would make you suggest that this isn't in a realm of possiblities? This was and perhaps still is the modus operandi of some public figures. To ignore it is strange at least.

ajross 2y ago

Impeding the release of government info requested by the general public and selectively releasing only items of political value to you or your coalition sounds like exactly the kind of corruption FOIA was supposed to address.