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> In a lot of ways this is like all the media attention on school shootings: we will see copycats, and the next one may not be targeting an unsympathetic health

> In a lot of ways this is like all the media attention on school shootings: we will see copycats, and the next one may not be targeting an unsympathetic healthcare CEO. Would it target unsympathetic CEOs in other industries? I am just trying to measure the pros and cons here. Jokes aside, that Luigi Mangione is a martyr to some subset of the population is hardly surprising. Unlike school shootings, where the senseless violence victimizes only eminently innocent people, what Mangione did victimizes someone seem by a large section of society as a perpetrator. I agree that it is unsettling, but only in the sense that it feels like some important piece of the social contract has been lost along the way, and it is hard to know where it will end.

ok_dad 2y ago
The social contract was lost when big business and its execs stopped caring about the humans they employ or serve as customers. Eventually, when regular people see that laws and ethics don’t apply to the rich and powerful, they decide they shouldn’t have to follow stupid laws either. The leaders of America started it, of course the followers of America will follow.
antisthenes 2y ago
> Would it target unsympathetic CEOs in other industries? Industries that are essential to living, sure. I think the health insurance industry is so egregious is because you PAY them money and they DENY you health care. It evokes a very strong response, because it can clearly be interpreted as theft. I can't imagine a comparable scenario in e.g. grocery industry where you'd pay for something in a grocery store and get nothing for it.
- Manuel_D 2y ago
  Some insurance claims get denied, but plenty of them are approved. It might surprise you to learn that most Americans are satisfied with their health insurance: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/13/us/elections/health-insurance-polls.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/13/us/elections/health-insur... If health insurance is as bad as you say, why aren't people just cancelling their plans and paying for everything out of pocket?
  - antisthenes 2y ago
    > If health insurance is as bad as you say, why aren't people just cancelling their plans and paying for everything out of pocket? Because it makes no sense to cancel a subsidized (by your employer) plan. So for the same reason people don't come to their employer and request to cut their own benefits. > It might surprise you to learn that most Americans are satisfied with their health insurance: Ah yes, the "fuck you got mine" status quo approach. No wonder people are upset about it.
    - Manuel_D 2y ago
      > Ah yes, the "fuck you got mine" status quo approach. No wonder people are upset about it. Again, most people aren't upset with their healthcare, as per the linked research. Your perception that Americans are largely disappointed with their health insurance is not true.

ok_dad 2y ago

The social contract was lost when big business and its execs stopped caring about the humans they employ or serve as customers. Eventually, when regular people see that laws and ethics don’t apply to the rich and powerful, they decide they shouldn’t have to follow stupid laws either. The leaders of America started it, of course the followers of America will follow.

antisthenes 2y ago

> Would it target unsympathetic CEOs in other industries? Industries that are essential to living, sure. I think the health insurance industry is so egregious is because you PAY them money and they DENY you health care. It evokes a very strong response, because it can clearly be interpreted as theft. I can't imagine a comparable scenario in e.g. grocery industry where you'd pay for something in a grocery store and get nothing for it.

Manuel_D 2y ago
Some insurance claims get denied, but plenty of them are approved. It might surprise you to learn that most Americans are satisfied with their health insurance: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/13/us/elections/health-insurance-polls.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/13/us/elections/health-insur... If health insurance is as bad as you say, why aren't people just cancelling their plans and paying for everything out of pocket?
- antisthenes 2y ago
  > If health insurance is as bad as you say, why aren't people just cancelling their plans and paying for everything out of pocket? Because it makes no sense to cancel a subsidized (by your employer) plan. So for the same reason people don't come to their employer and request to cut their own benefits. > It might surprise you to learn that most Americans are satisfied with their health insurance: Ah yes, the "fuck you got mine" status quo approach. No wonder people are upset about it.
  - Manuel_D 2y ago
    > Ah yes, the "fuck you got mine" status quo approach. No wonder people are upset about it. Again, most people aren't upset with their healthcare, as per the linked research. Your perception that Americans are largely disappointed with their health insurance is not true.