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I mean thats great, but it sounds an awful lot like someone boasting about owning a race horse. Sure stopping your kids having access to youtube and tiktok is

I mean thats great, but it sounds an awful lot like someone boasting about owning a race horse. Sure stopping your kids having access to youtube and tiktok is a good thing, a great thing even. A soul mirror is a dangerous thing for an impressionable mind. But it feels like none of this post is actually about protecting kids, its more about showing off how cultured the author is. Which is fun when seeing a mishmash of french/english 18th century furniture with incorrectly hung paintings. Look social media is corrosive. There is a reason why the skill of an editor makes or breaks a media company. There is no editor in social media, only you. But to mix up anti-social media with a half baked aesthetic is just bollocks. The irony is, the aesthetic is an analogue, its an analogue of an english/french town house. As remembered by someone who goes "what image does this project" rather than "do I like it" The artwork on the walls is not going to make up for being raised by a succession of nannies, or going to a school surrounded by exceptionally rich and emotionally damaged kids. If you want to raise your kids in an "analogue world" You need to be there. Otherwise you're just outsourcing your kids world view to zuckerberg et al.

kuahyeow 2y ago
I think you need to read the OP again. Not just the pictures at the end.
wingworks 2y ago
I grew up without TV, computer, Playstation etc in a fairly rural area. It was great most of the time, till I had to go to school. I spent most of my time at home or around the farm, and my 2 other siblings. Very rare to see others outside our fam. And if anyone did visit I would hide from them, not knowing how to interact with them. I never learnt how to socialize, and was very shy as a kid (and still am to a degree). I was even afraid to enter shops, and would only go into ones I had been to before with parents, if I had to. Wasn't till my early 20s that I built up enough courage to enter new stores without intense fear. I started off at a school which I was bullied allot, never learnt anything, eventually was pulled and put into a traditional state school where I did much better (but far behind other kids). Though still bullied a bit, but teachers there actually cared, most bullying didn't last. But once I got to High School (and to a degree primary) having such a different upbringing to all the other kids made it very hard to make any friends. Or have anything to in-common to talk about. It also made parts of learning in school harder, because teachers would talk about xyz pop culture that 99% of kids knew about (e.g. popular movies), and I was just like.. what, I've never seen that. The last 1-2 years of school once I was allowed a computer I had no self control, and binge watched SOO much tv/movies, in an attempt to catch up to kids my age, and have something to talk about. It would take many years to get it mostly under control. I think for my kinda upbringing to work, you need to live somewhere where everyone is doing it too, otherwise it's a painful upbringing for the kids, which effects them for life, in a bad way in my case. Maybe there is a middle ground to take here that would work better, idk.
- em-bee 2y ago
  this is interesting because on the surface i ad a similar upbringing but a very different outcome. now this was a decade or two earlier. internet didn't exist yet, but we had no TV, no car, and i didn't have a single friend until i entered university. i was also bullied (mildly). but that's where the similarity ends. i was proud of how we lived. i didn't want to be friends with kids who had nothing in common with me. i deliberately distanced myself. i got access to computers in highschool and spent a lot of time there. i got access to the internet at university and i got a TV. somewhere in between i learned that i didn't like to waste time with mindless TV watching and i developed a discipline to study the TV guide to decide ahead of time what i wanted to watch. and i still do that. now everything is online, but i deliberately pick what and how much i want to watch. most of the time. i wish i could say what it was that gave me the feeling of not wanting to waste my time. but i have no clue. anyway, to your key point: I think for my kinda upbringing to work, you need to live somewhere where everyone is doing it too, otherwise it's a painful upbringing for the kids, which effects them for life, in a bad way in my case or if you raise your kids in such a way that they don't want to have friends (in my case it wasn't deliberate, just circumstances), it's less painful, but it also affects them for life in an equally bad way. i think a middle ground would be to teach the kids mindful watching of TV/youtube, playing games, etc. it takes discipline to be a good role model though.
- mixmastamyk 2y ago
  The first part of this sounds like a psychological problem to be honest, not a lack of electronics. I had access to all of them as a teen, yet it didn't help me make friends.
  - hnlmorg 2y ago
    Psychological problems can still be a result of upbringing. In the GPs case, a lack of commonality with “regular” folk due to zero access to electronic devices, which lead to intense fear interacting with “regular” folk.
    - mixmastamyk 2y ago
soupfordummies 2y ago
Yeah it really went took a hard left turn into interior design about halfway through, LOL
jibbers 2y ago
A “soul mirror” is an interesting idea. Do you mean the modern smartphone is a mirror of ones soul because you just see what you want to see, you see what your soul is interested in?
- KaiserPro 2y ago
  I'm going to go with what your soul yearns for. Obviously this isn't a perfect analogy, because it implies mystic, Machiavellian, or omnipotent beings. Its more like "the mirror of erised" from harry potter, perhaps better is the mirror from "The Snow Queen": > which had this peculiarity, that everything good and beautiful that was reflected in it shrank… but that whatever was worthless or ugly became prominent. But I would say its not the smartphone thats the problem, its specifically "broadcast" social media thats the problem. That is services were thirdparties, who you don't know personally, can produce content for your consumption. Those services are driven by pure engagement, rather than any other metric. Anything that just constantly A/B tests what you engage with the most, and blindly optimises for whichever category you click on, is going to be bad for you, unless you have been given the tools and education to manage those categories. Even then, it might not be possible. I still think kids need 1:1 and group chats, within reason, and with time limits so that they actually got to sleep, and stay asleep at night. So I'd say kids should probably still have smartphones, just not social media.

kuahyeow 2y ago

I think you need to read the OP again. Not just the pictures at the end.

wingworks 2y ago

I grew up without TV, computer, Playstation etc in a fairly rural area. It was great most of the time, till I had to go to school. I spent most of my time at home or around the farm, and my 2 other siblings. Very rare to see others outside our fam. And if anyone did visit I would hide from them, not knowing how to interact with them. I never learnt how to socialize, and was very shy as a kid (and still am to a degree). I was even afraid to enter shops, and would only go into ones I had been to before with parents, if I had to. Wasn't till my early 20s that I built up enough courage to enter new stores without intense fear. I started off at a school which I was bullied allot, never learnt anything, eventually was pulled and put into a traditional state school where I did much better (but far behind other kids). Though still bullied a bit, but teachers there actually cared, most bullying didn't last. But once I got to High School (and to a degree primary) having such a different upbringing to all the other kids made it very hard to make any friends. Or have anything to in-common to talk about. It also made parts of learning in school harder, because teachers would talk about xyz pop culture that 99% of kids knew about (e.g. popular movies), and I was just like.. what, I've never seen that. The last 1-2 years of school once I was allowed a computer I had no self control, and binge watched SOO much tv/movies, in an attempt to catch up to kids my age, and have something to talk about. It would take many years to get it mostly under control. I think for my kinda upbringing to work, you need to live somewhere where everyone is doing it too, otherwise it's a painful upbringing for the kids, which effects them for life, in a bad way in my case. Maybe there is a middle ground to take here that would work better, idk.

em-bee 2y ago
this is interesting because on the surface i ad a similar upbringing but a very different outcome. now this was a decade or two earlier. internet didn't exist yet, but we had no TV, no car, and i didn't have a single friend until i entered university. i was also bullied (mildly). but that's where the similarity ends. i was proud of how we lived. i didn't want to be friends with kids who had nothing in common with me. i deliberately distanced myself. i got access to computers in highschool and spent a lot of time there. i got access to the internet at university and i got a TV. somewhere in between i learned that i didn't like to waste time with mindless TV watching and i developed a discipline to study the TV guide to decide ahead of time what i wanted to watch. and i still do that. now everything is online, but i deliberately pick what and how much i want to watch. most of the time. i wish i could say what it was that gave me the feeling of not wanting to waste my time. but i have no clue. anyway, to your key point: I think for my kinda upbringing to work, you need to live somewhere where everyone is doing it too, otherwise it's a painful upbringing for the kids, which effects them for life, in a bad way in my case or if you raise your kids in such a way that they don't want to have friends (in my case it wasn't deliberate, just circumstances), it's less painful, but it also affects them for life in an equally bad way. i think a middle ground would be to teach the kids mindful watching of TV/youtube, playing games, etc. it takes discipline to be a good role model though.
mixmastamyk 2y ago
The first part of this sounds like a psychological problem to be honest, not a lack of electronics. I had access to all of them as a teen, yet it didn't help me make friends.
- hnlmorg 2y ago
  Psychological problems can still be a result of upbringing. In the GPs case, a lack of commonality with “regular” folk due to zero access to electronic devices, which lead to intense fear interacting with “regular” folk.
  - mixmastamyk 2y ago

soupfordummies 2y ago

Yeah it really went took a hard left turn into interior design about halfway through, LOL

jibbers 2y ago

A “soul mirror” is an interesting idea. Do you mean the modern smartphone is a mirror of ones soul because you just see what you want to see, you see what your soul is interested in?

KaiserPro 2y ago
I'm going to go with what your soul yearns for. Obviously this isn't a perfect analogy, because it implies mystic, Machiavellian, or omnipotent beings. Its more like "the mirror of erised" from harry potter, perhaps better is the mirror from "The Snow Queen": > which had this peculiarity, that everything good and beautiful that was reflected in it shrank… but that whatever was worthless or ugly became prominent. But I would say its not the smartphone thats the problem, its specifically "broadcast" social media thats the problem. That is services were thirdparties, who you don't know personally, can produce content for your consumption. Those services are driven by pure engagement, rather than any other metric. Anything that just constantly A/B tests what you engage with the most, and blindly optimises for whichever category you click on, is going to be bad for you, unless you have been given the tools and education to manage those categories. Even then, it might not be possible. I still think kids need 1:1 and group chats, within reason, and with time limits so that they actually got to sleep, and stay asleep at night. So I'd say kids should probably still have smartphones, just not social media.