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It's clearly not true that everyone is properly documented. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/lawyers-advocates-say-48-people-are-unaccounted-ice-raid-new-me

It's clearly not true that everyone is properly documented. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/lawyers-advocates-say-48-people-are-unaccounted-ice-raid-new-mexico-rcna196773 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/lawyers-advocates-say-48...

lolinder 2y ago
This article says that the communities are having a hard time figuring out which 48 people were arrested, which is a very different problem than having a specific person you're looking for and not knowing where they went to. Again: still bad, still inexcusable, but not the same thing as what would have to be happening here.
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throwaway48476 2y ago
Documentation is hard to do accurately when someone illegally immigrates with no documents.
- mmooss 2y ago
  The Department of Homeland Security is not an undocumented immigrant, nor is the court system. They are required to document what they do.
  - mikeyouse 2y ago
    And many of the disappeared people were here either with valid asylum claims or temporary protected status and were following the laws to get their day in court -- at which time it would have been completely legal and appropriate to deport them if their claims were denied. Instead, we have secret police grabbing them off the street, immediately transferring them out of the jurisdiction they were picked up in and flying them out of the country to a notoriously violent prison in an unrelated country less than 48 hours after they were picked up... it's an absolute travesty and anyone who defends it should be deeply ashamed.
    - lokar 2y ago
      Some people had 100% valid visas that were revoked upon attempting to enter, at the (arbitrary) discretion of an immigration officer for years old non-criminal issues that had been resolved. They were then detained for days rather then be allowed to exit the country.
  - throwaway48476 2y ago
    How does homeland security know who they arrested if the individual has no documents? Assuming they're not in a biometric database and from a non cooperative country like Venezuela.
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LastTrain 2y ago
That someone is not documented doesn’t mean you get to treat everyone that way. That someone is not documented doesn’t mean they have no rights for that matter.
- lucasban 2y ago
  I think in this case they are referring to the documentation of what happened to them, not their immigration status
- rayiner 2y ago
  The label “undocumented” is utterly dishonest. “Undocumented” implies that something has been permitted, but not documented. Like agreeing to let a friend live in your basement apartment without drawing up a lease. Illegal immigrants aren’t “undocumented.” They are present in America without the consent of the American people, as expressed in immigration law.
  - _DeadFred_ 2y ago
    Does the law call someone who drives without a license an illegal driver or an unlicensed driver? Someone who practices medicine an illegal doctor or refer to them as unlicensed? Someone operating without a permit is not an illegal worker but an operator without a license.
    - telotortium 2y ago
      You could certainly say they were driving, practicing medicine, or operating machinery illegally, or indeed working illegally if they don't provide valid documents.
      - _DeadFred_ 2y ago
        Did you read my comment? They were driving illegally, not an illegal driver. Practicing medicine illegally, not an illegal doctor. Working illegally, not an illegal worker. See how the language of it works? They are in the US illegally, they are not an illegal person.

lolinder 2y ago

This article says that the communities are having a hard time figuring out which 48 people were arrested, which is a very different problem than having a specific person you're looking for and not knowing where they went to. Again: still bad, still inexcusable, but not the same thing as what would have to be happening here.

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throwaway48476 2y ago

Documentation is hard to do accurately when someone illegally immigrates with no documents.

mmooss 2y ago
The Department of Homeland Security is not an undocumented immigrant, nor is the court system. They are required to document what they do.
- mikeyouse 2y ago
  And many of the disappeared people were here either with valid asylum claims or temporary protected status and were following the laws to get their day in court -- at which time it would have been completely legal and appropriate to deport them if their claims were denied. Instead, we have secret police grabbing them off the street, immediately transferring them out of the jurisdiction they were picked up in and flying them out of the country to a notoriously violent prison in an unrelated country less than 48 hours after they were picked up... it's an absolute travesty and anyone who defends it should be deeply ashamed.
  - lokar 2y ago
    Some people had 100% valid visas that were revoked upon attempting to enter, at the (arbitrary) discretion of an immigration officer for years old non-criminal issues that had been resolved. They were then detained for days rather then be allowed to exit the country.
- throwaway48476 2y ago
  How does homeland security know who they arrested if the individual has no documents? Assuming they're not in a biometric database and from a non cooperative country like Venezuela.
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LastTrain 2y ago

That someone is not documented doesn’t mean you get to treat everyone that way. That someone is not documented doesn’t mean they have no rights for that matter.

lucasban 2y ago
I think in this case they are referring to the documentation of what happened to them, not their immigration status
rayiner 2y ago
The label “undocumented” is utterly dishonest. “Undocumented” implies that something has been permitted, but not documented. Like agreeing to let a friend live in your basement apartment without drawing up a lease. Illegal immigrants aren’t “undocumented.” They are present in America without the consent of the American people, as expressed in immigration law.
- _DeadFred_ 2y ago
  Does the law call someone who drives without a license an illegal driver or an unlicensed driver? Someone who practices medicine an illegal doctor or refer to them as unlicensed? Someone operating without a permit is not an illegal worker but an operator without a license.
  - telotortium 2y ago
    You could certainly say they were driving, practicing medicine, or operating machinery illegally, or indeed working illegally if they don't provide valid documents.
    - _DeadFred_ 2y ago
      Did you read my comment? They were driving illegally, not an illegal driver. Practicing medicine illegally, not an illegal doctor. Working illegally, not an illegal worker. See how the language of it works? They are in the US illegally, they are not an illegal person.