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> Damned few on the left want to arrest people for giving offense Of course they do. Plenty of people on the left say that the very notion of free speech is "p
by zozbot234 2y ago
> Damned few on the left want to arrest people for giving offense
Of course they do. Plenty of people on the left say that the very notion of free speech is "problematic" and must be criticized. Which directly implies that they find it less problematic to criminalize speech, as the UK does.
- Yoric 2y agoDo you have any example?
- muro 2y agohttps://www.srf.ch/kultur/musik/kontroverse-schweizer-saengerin-darum-hat-das-m4music-festival-bernarda-brunovic-ausgeladen https://www.srf.ch/kultur/musik/kontroverse-schweizer-saenge...
- Yoric 2y agoIf I read this correctly (my Swiss German is a bit rusty), there is an unnamed group (presumably somewhere on the left) who called for causing disturbances during a concert of a singer, and the organizers decided to cancel the concert? Is that correct? Because if I recall your (now flagged) message correctly, you were claiming that the left was in favor of putting people in jail for their opinions. While "we're going to make a demonstration to show how much we disagree with someone" can definitely be an annoyance, it's really, really, really far from your initial claim. At this point, I remain unconvinced.
- fpoling 2y agoKarl Popper pointed out that the free speech must defend itself. Otherwise a party that wants to put an end to it will use it for own propaganda and eventually get into power destroying free speech. Of cause it is hard to get the balance right and what UK is doing does not look right. But UK does have the problem of ultra-right movements that want to establish a fascist regime.
- zozbot234 2y ago> Karl Popper pointed out that the free speech must defend itself. Yes, that's in fact a very old idea - that the "soap box" must defend itself with the "ballot box", and the ballot box with the "cartridge box". But what's happening now is a lot worse: free speech is being destroyed for the sake of not "causing offense". Which amounts to giving express legitimacy to intolerance, and saying that it must always win over tolerance.
- card_zero 2y agoDid he mention speech? https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Karl_Popper#The_Open_Society_and_Its_Enemies_(1945) https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Karl_Popper#The_Open_Society_a... I think you refer to the quotes about the paradoxes of freedom and tolerance.
- fpoling 2y agoThanks, I was mistaken. However any reasonable tolerance includes broad free speech so Popper was more generic.