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Like making window borders 1px wide, even as screen pixel density increases. It's darn near impossible to resize a window anymore. Like making buttons auto-hid

Like making window borders 1px wide, even as screen pixel density increases. It's darn near impossible to resize a window anymore. Like making buttons auto-hide unless you mouse-over them. I don't remember when this came in, but the default PDF viewer in something did this, and I spent _weeks_ being baffled that some jerk made a PDF viewer that couldn't zoom in on the page, until I randomly waggled the mouse for some reason and the missing buttons magically appeared. I have no words for how upsetting this was. Like having icons-only for many functions, with no text-and-icons or text-only option to replace them. I'm sure some people are fine with that, but other people can scan a screen for a desired word MUCH faster than they can scan for a desired icon, and removal of text labels is just an insult to that segment of the userbase. Like no longer highlighting, or even having, hotkeys for many menus. I can alt-space or alt-menukey my way through a late-90s menu tree _way_ faster than I can mouse through it, even with today's better mice, but that simply doesn't work anymore in a great many programs. It's one thing for people who've never known a different UI to just be slow in this one and that's all they've known, and that's fine for them I guess, if it's pretty and they prefer that, or if keyboards frighten them. But for people who have DECADES of reflexes invested in these shortcuts to suddenly find that they don't work anymore, and we're forced to SLOW DOWN and be less productive than in the past, that's a high insult. Microsoft spilled tankers of ink in the 90s talking about how their new GUI patterns would make people more productive by unifying these things across programs (which was true; in the DOS era every program made up its own shortcuts and ways to access them), and folks who learned them are now being punished for trusting MS with our loyalty. "Basically nothing has changed" my ass.

exiguus 2y ago
I agree, thats bad. And for example the "icon only" thing follows a bad but hip UI pattern where designers assume the knowledge of the icon meaning of the user. They should not in my opinion. I mean, in the end, you can decide. 1. To learn all this new patterns in windows. or 2. Move on to another, more stable window environment like gnome or KDE or whatever. In the end, its all about the effort for now and on the long run. And you get forced to calculate that because of the introduced change.
- zozbot234 2y ago
  The 'icon only' thing is less of a problem when you can hover your mouse pointer on the icon and get a tooltip that tells you what it's for.
  - exiguus 2y ago
    No no no. That's bad, relay bad because this involves at minimum 2 unnecessary steps: 1. touch the mouse (if not already) 2. move the mouse to the button 3. wait until the tool tip appears
  - exiguus 2y ago
    There is also a very good example about this in The Design of Everyday Things - the one with the revolver doors.
4k93n2 2y ago
> Like making window borders 1px wide, even as screen pixel density increases. It's darn near impossible to resize a window anymore. check out altDrag if youre on windows (its discontinued now but i think i remember seeing newer forks) it lets you hold down a key and then drag the cursor in one of the 4 quarters of a window to resize it. a lot of the ubuntu based distros ive tried have had this feature built in for a while now and its far superior
- myself248 2y ago
  Thank you for the recommendation, I'll look at installing that. But the problem with add-ons is that every machine you use will have a different combination of them installed. Maybe you're at work and don't have privileges to install them. Maybe you forgot to install one on your desktop even if it's on your laptop, etc. And building it into "a lot" of Ubuntu-based distros lacks discoverability. I might have that now on the machine I'm typing this on, but it does me no good if I don't know it's there. (Everything in Linux has worse-than-terrible discoverability, but that's another rant entirely.) MS's dominant position meant their defaults Just Worked everywhere, and when those defaults were good, they were really, really good, by virtue of their ubiquity. Then they fucked us by using their dominant position to just... I don't know... completely lose the plot? Aside from HiDPI fractional scaling and support for large monitor "maximize to a quadrant" and stuff, I can't point to a single MS UI improvement since the XP days. Everything else has just gotten worse, fragmented, and for no good reason.

exiguus 2y ago

I agree, thats bad. And for example the "icon only" thing follows a bad but hip UI pattern where designers assume the knowledge of the icon meaning of the user. They should not in my opinion. I mean, in the end, you can decide. 1. To learn all this new patterns in windows. or 2. Move on to another, more stable window environment like gnome or KDE or whatever. In the end, its all about the effort for now and on the long run. And you get forced to calculate that because of the introduced change.

zozbot234 2y ago
The 'icon only' thing is less of a problem when you can hover your mouse pointer on the icon and get a tooltip that tells you what it's for.
- exiguus 2y ago
  No no no. That's bad, relay bad because this involves at minimum 2 unnecessary steps: 1. touch the mouse (if not already) 2. move the mouse to the button 3. wait until the tool tip appears
- exiguus 2y ago
  There is also a very good example about this in The Design of Everyday Things - the one with the revolver doors.

4k93n2 2y ago

> Like making window borders 1px wide, even as screen pixel density increases. It's darn near impossible to resize a window anymore. check out altDrag if youre on windows (its discontinued now but i think i remember seeing newer forks) it lets you hold down a key and then drag the cursor in one of the 4 quarters of a window to resize it. a lot of the ubuntu based distros ive tried have had this feature built in for a while now and its far superior

myself248 2y ago
Thank you for the recommendation, I'll look at installing that. But the problem with add-ons is that every machine you use will have a different combination of them installed. Maybe you're at work and don't have privileges to install them. Maybe you forgot to install one on your desktop even if it's on your laptop, etc. And building it into "a lot" of Ubuntu-based distros lacks discoverability. I might have that now on the machine I'm typing this on, but it does me no good if I don't know it's there. (Everything in Linux has worse-than-terrible discoverability, but that's another rant entirely.) MS's dominant position meant their defaults Just Worked everywhere, and when those defaults were good, they were really, really good, by virtue of their ubiquity. Then they fucked us by using their dominant position to just... I don't know... completely lose the plot? Aside from HiDPI fractional scaling and support for large monitor "maximize to a quadrant" and stuff, I can't point to a single MS UI improvement since the XP days. Everything else has just gotten worse, fragmented, and for no good reason.