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Why blocked? > We have a temporary glitch with GitHub—probably some contributor was geolocated in a sanctioned region (no details yet). All required documents t

Why blocked? > We have a temporary glitch with GitHub—probably some contributor was geolocated in a sanctioned region (no details yet). All required documents to unlock the account have been uploaded. Don't blame Microsoft/GitHub - it is just U.S. law. Please be patient. It should be unblocked soon. https://mastodon.social/@organicmaps/114155428924741370 https://mastodon.social/@organicmaps/114155428924741370

greatgib 2y ago
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- banqjls 2y ago
  What’s a good country to operate from?
  - rurban 2y ago
    Which country protected Assange? Oops, also not recommended. So none.
    - anonym29 2y ago
      [flagged]
  - BaudouinVH 2y ago
    Iceland ?
    - dp-hackernews 2y ago
      Greenland?
  - toomuchtodo 2y ago
    I think this is the wrong question when scoping to this problem, as governance and politics are not static. A favorable country to operate out of today is perhaps not favorable tomorrow. I think the better question is: "How do you operate an open source project with global contributors in a way that makes you censorship resistant?" You should have no single point of failure, folks should be signing their commits (cryptographic integrity), build the merkle tree, make it broadly consumable, etc. If a POP gets nuked, you bring up a replacement and keep on chuggin', just like if you were The Pirate Bay, Archive.today, Libgen, Z-Library, etc. Some similarities to how the AT Protocol is structured (Commits->PDS->Firehose->AppView) [1]. Commits go in, views of the project are available globally, the data corpus is stored in a durable, distributed fashion. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AT_Protocol#/media/File:Bluesky%E2%80%93AT_Protocol_federation_architecture.svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AT_Protocol#/media/File:Bluesk...
tomrod 2y ago
> the account have been uploaded. Don't blame Microsoft/GitHub - it is just U.S. law. "I was just following orders" is an invalid defense.
- throwawaymaths 2y ago
  i mean ok but no one is being killed or tortured or even kidnapped here.
  - boredpeter 2y ago
    [dead]
  - bauruine 2y ago
    I think it's not bad to remember people from time to time that "just following orders" oder "Just doing my job" isn't an universal excuse and that we hanged people rightfully for "just" doing that. If that's your only excuse for what you're doing you may should at least deeply think again if what you're doing is excusable. They only want to protect MS in this case, I guess to increase their chance to resolve it positively. But I just recently thought about this. If you develop exploits for say NSO und a journalist gets tortured to death. Should you be put on trial? I'm not sure why not tbh.
  - doublerabbit 2y ago
    > no one is being killed or tortured or even kidnapped here. Maybe not but the vibe feels more like open source being gunpoint. "Upload documents or else"
- FirmwareBurner 2y ago
  So a corporation should be in contempt with US law just to uphold a moral high ground for a some random user?
  - mcv 2y ago
    Sounds like another reason not to repy on US-based services.
throw_a_grenade 2y ago
> Don't blame Microsoft/GitHub I don't think this is a question of blame, rather than suitability. In the spirit of blameless postmortem, I'll state that GitHub was found unsuitable for hosting a FOSS project. Why it's unsuitable is truly a secondary question, but it shouldn't prevent us, Free Software maintainers, from drawing necessary conclusions.
happymellon 2y ago
Sounds like a reasonable reason to dump a service that will just block you. Nothing you put there sounds like a reason not to move, in fact it sounds like all the more reason to do it.
- FirmwareBurner 2y ago
  >Sounds like a reasonable reason to dump a service that will just block you. ANY and I mean absolutely ANY service can just block you if they think you're violating ToS, including Google/Android and Apple.
  - yencabulator 2y ago
    And when you self-host, worst case scenario is running a disaster recovery exercise on a different cloud provider. (Except for DNS, where you're at the mercy of the registrar; you might need to communicate a new domain name to your users.) It's just time to leave Microsoft. Don't make excuses for rich corporations.
  - happymellon 2y ago
    One of the contributors might be from a sanctioned country, and therefore it's reasonable to block everyone? That absolutely does not sound reasonable to everyone else.
    - GoblinSlayer 2y ago
      Sanctions were transitive for awhile.
      - happymellon 2y ago
        Are you trying to say that it *is* reasonable for an Open Source project to expect this?
zamalek 2y ago
> it is just <country> law Ah, a chief among the causes of brain drain.
buyucu 2y ago
Just following orders is evil. It's good that Organic Maps is leaving Microsoft behind.

greatgib 2y ago

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banqjls 2y ago
What’s a good country to operate from?
- rurban 2y ago
  Which country protected Assange? Oops, also not recommended. So none.
  - anonym29 2y ago
    [flagged]
- BaudouinVH 2y ago
  Iceland ?
  - dp-hackernews 2y ago
    Greenland?
- toomuchtodo 2y ago
  I think this is the wrong question when scoping to this problem, as governance and politics are not static. A favorable country to operate out of today is perhaps not favorable tomorrow. I think the better question is: "How do you operate an open source project with global contributors in a way that makes you censorship resistant?" You should have no single point of failure, folks should be signing their commits (cryptographic integrity), build the merkle tree, make it broadly consumable, etc. If a POP gets nuked, you bring up a replacement and keep on chuggin', just like if you were The Pirate Bay, Archive.today, Libgen, Z-Library, etc. Some similarities to how the AT Protocol is structured (Commits->PDS->Firehose->AppView) [1]. Commits go in, views of the project are available globally, the data corpus is stored in a durable, distributed fashion. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AT_Protocol#/media/File:Bluesky%E2%80%93AT_Protocol_federation_architecture.svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AT_Protocol#/media/File:Bluesk...

tomrod 2y ago

> the account have been uploaded. Don't blame Microsoft/GitHub - it is just U.S. law. "I was just following orders" is an invalid defense.

throwawaymaths 2y ago
i mean ok but no one is being killed or tortured or even kidnapped here.
- boredpeter 2y ago
  [dead]
- bauruine 2y ago
  I think it's not bad to remember people from time to time that "just following orders" oder "Just doing my job" isn't an universal excuse and that we hanged people rightfully for "just" doing that. If that's your only excuse for what you're doing you may should at least deeply think again if what you're doing is excusable. They only want to protect MS in this case, I guess to increase their chance to resolve it positively. But I just recently thought about this. If you develop exploits for say NSO und a journalist gets tortured to death. Should you be put on trial? I'm not sure why not tbh.
- doublerabbit 2y ago
  > no one is being killed or tortured or even kidnapped here. Maybe not but the vibe feels more like open source being gunpoint. "Upload documents or else"
FirmwareBurner 2y ago
So a corporation should be in contempt with US law just to uphold a moral high ground for a some random user?
- mcv 2y ago
  Sounds like another reason not to repy on US-based services.

throw_a_grenade 2y ago

> Don't blame Microsoft/GitHub I don't think this is a question of blame, rather than suitability. In the spirit of blameless postmortem, I'll state that GitHub was found unsuitable for hosting a FOSS project. Why it's unsuitable is truly a secondary question, but it shouldn't prevent us, Free Software maintainers, from drawing necessary conclusions.

happymellon 2y ago

Sounds like a reasonable reason to dump a service that will just block you. Nothing you put there sounds like a reason not to move, in fact it sounds like all the more reason to do it.

FirmwareBurner 2y ago
>Sounds like a reasonable reason to dump a service that will just block you. ANY and I mean absolutely ANY service can just block you if they think you're violating ToS, including Google/Android and Apple.
- yencabulator 2y ago
  And when you self-host, worst case scenario is running a disaster recovery exercise on a different cloud provider. (Except for DNS, where you're at the mercy of the registrar; you might need to communicate a new domain name to your users.) It's just time to leave Microsoft. Don't make excuses for rich corporations.
- happymellon 2y ago
  One of the contributors might be from a sanctioned country, and therefore it's reasonable to block everyone? That absolutely does not sound reasonable to everyone else.
  - GoblinSlayer 2y ago
    Sanctions were transitive for awhile.
    - happymellon 2y ago
      Are you trying to say that it *is* reasonable for an Open Source project to expect this?

zamalek 2y ago

> it is just <country> law Ah, a chief among the causes of brain drain.

buyucu 2y ago

Just following orders is evil. It's good that Organic Maps is leaving Microsoft behind.