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Organic Maps migrates to Forgejo due to GitHub account blocked by Microsoft
- sherdil2022 2y agoWhat happened here?
- RicoElectrico 2y agoGH made repo read-only after a member was added to the organization who happened to visit Cuba for a short while. No response from GitHub.
- guywithahat 2y agoAlthough I’m generally not a fan of companies getting involved in international politics, working for Cuba (or whatever actually happened, it’s not clear) seems like a pretty stupid thing to do
- mraniki 2y agoWhy blocked? > We have a temporary glitch with GitHub—probably some contributor was geolocated in a sanctioned region (no details yet). All required documents to unlock the account have been uploaded. Don't blame Microsoft/GitHub - it is just U.S. law. Please be patient. It should be unblocked soon. https://mastodon.social/@organicmaps/114155428924741370 https://mastodon.social/@organicmaps/114155428924741370
- greatgib 2y ago[flagged]
- banqjls 2y agoWhat’s a good country to operate from?
- rurban 2y agoWhich country protected Assange? Oops, also not recommended. So none.
- anonym29 2y ago[flagged]
- BaudouinVH 2y agoIceland ?
- dp-hackernews 2y agoGreenland?
- toomuchtodo 2y agoI think this is the wrong question when scoping to this problem, as governance and politics are not static. A favorable country to operate out of today is perhaps not favorable tomorrow. I think the better question is: "How do you operate an open source project with global contributors in a way that makes you censorship resistant?" You should have no single point of failure, folks should be signing their commits (cryptographic integrity), build the merkle tree, make it broadly consumable, etc. If a POP gets nuked, you bring up a replacement and keep on chuggin', just like if you were The Pirate Bay, Archive.today, Libgen, Z-Library, etc. Some similarities to how the AT Protocol is structured (Commits->PDS->Firehose->AppView) [1]. Commits go in, views of the project are available globally, the data corpus is stored in a durable, distributed fashion. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AT_Protocol#/media/File:Bluesky%E2%80%93AT_Protocol_federation_architecture.svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AT_Protocol#/media/File:Bluesk...
- tomrod 2y ago> the account have been uploaded. Don't blame Microsoft/GitHub - it is just U.S. law. "I was just following orders" is an invalid defense.
- throwawaymaths 2y agoi mean ok but no one is being killed or tortured or even kidnapped here.
- boredpeter 2y ago[dead]
- bauruine 2y agoI think it's not bad to remember people from time to time that "just following orders" oder "Just doing my job" isn't an universal excuse and that we hanged people rightfully for "just" doing that. If that's your only excuse for what you're doing you may should at least deeply think again if what you're doing is excusable. They only want to protect MS in this case, I guess to increase their chance to resolve it positively. But I just recently thought about this. If you develop exploits for say NSO und a journalist gets tortured to death. Should you be put on trial? I'm not sure why not tbh.
- doublerabbit 2y ago> no one is being killed or tortured or even kidnapped here. Maybe not but the vibe feels more like open source being gunpoint. "Upload documents or else"
- FirmwareBurner 2y agoSo a corporation should be in contempt with US law just to uphold a moral high ground for a some random user?
- mcv 2y agoSounds like another reason not to repy on US-based services.
- throw_a_grenade 2y ago> Don't blame Microsoft/GitHub I don't think this is a question of blame, rather than suitability. In the spirit of blameless postmortem, I'll state that GitHub was found unsuitable for hosting a FOSS project. Why it's unsuitable is truly a secondary question, but it shouldn't prevent us, Free Software maintainers, from drawing necessary conclusions.
- happymellon 2y agoSounds like a reasonable reason to dump a service that will just block you. Nothing you put there sounds like a reason not to move, in fact it sounds like all the more reason to do it.
- FirmwareBurner 2y ago>Sounds like a reasonable reason to dump a service that will just block you. ANY and I mean absolutely ANY service can just block you if they think you're violating ToS, including Google/Android and Apple.
- yencabulator 2y agoAnd when you self-host, worst case scenario is running a disaster recovery exercise on a different cloud provider. (Except for DNS, where you're at the mercy of the registrar; you might need to communicate a new domain name to your users.) It's just time to leave Microsoft. Don't make excuses for rich corporations.
- happymellon 2y agoOne of the contributors might be from a sanctioned country, and therefore it's reasonable to block everyone? That absolutely does not sound reasonable to everyone else.
- GoblinSlayer 2y agoSanctions were transitive for awhile.
- happymellon 2y agoAre you trying to say that it *is* reasonable for an Open Source project to expect this?
- zamalek 2y ago> it is just <country> law Ah, a chief among the causes of brain drain.
- buyucu 2y agoJust following orders is evil. It's good that Organic Maps is leaving Microsoft behind.
- anonym29 2y agoGlad to see more and more organizations moving to rights-respecting platforms, away from the intelligence community's surveillance + social control dragnets of choice.
- sschueller 2y agoI didn't know forgejo existed and I have been using gitlab ce which is getting more and more difficult to deal with for just home use. All of a sudden I see that I am no longer getting minor updates because my debian version isn't the latest and during my last update it broke the db again. forgejo seems to have everything I need including CI pipeline and container registry so I am definitely going to give it a try before trying to update gitlab.
- omnimus 2y agoIt's also way easier than Gitlab to selfhost. Been running it for some time on small office NAS and it's solid.
- jalict 2y agoSwitched from Gitlab to Forgejo at work and it is working fantastic for us. I am also using at home. Using both container registry and self-hosted runners, etc. I was personally very frustrated with ACL and generally inheritance rules in gitlab and it is much more sensible and easy in Forgejo.
- dizhn 2y agoFYI it's a fork of gitea, and like gitea, only a single go binary. Super easy to upgrade. I have been running gitea first and now forgejo under docker. It's literally a 5 minute deal to install once you know how it works.
- doubled112 2y agoI did a bare metal to Docker container migration in about 30 minutes a couple of weeks ago. It’s not a very complicated setup, with few surprises, and this system admin appreciates that.
- mdaniel 2y ago> including CI pipeline You'll want to be cautious, because readme and promises are not software; they're attempting to squat on[1] nektos/act[2] which itself is the 20/80 of GitHub Actions You'll almost certainly be happier using woodpecker[3] or some other "external" CI system so you don't have to hopes-and-prayers your CI system 1: https://code.forgejo.org/forgejo/act https://code.forgejo.org/forgejo/act 2: https://codeberg.org/forgejo/forgejo/src/tag/v10.0.3/go.mod#L81 https://codeberg.org/forgejo/forgejo/src/tag/v10.0.3/go.mod#... and https://codeberg.org/forgejo/forgejo/src/tag/v10.0.3/go.mod#L286 https://codeberg.org/forgejo/forgejo/src/tag/v10.0.3/go.mod#... 3: https://github.com/woodpecker-ci/woodpecker https://github.com/woodpecker-ci/woodpecker (Apache 2)
- wvbdmp 2y agoWhat’s the latest in Forgejo vs. Gitea?
- omnimus 2y agoSometime in 2024 Forgejo became hard fork no longer merging Gitea code so both projects slowly diverge. But i think momentum is on Forgejo side. Codeberg is popular and development seems to be stable and solid.
- techknowlogick 2y agoI'm on the Gitea TOC. The fork does still merge from upstream. The Gitea project has 4x'd the number of monthly PRs we handle (~400) and have increased the maintainers teams, and the number of contributors. I'd say we have a lot of momentum.
- yencabulator 2y agoThey jumped the shark to become cryptobros in 2022 and are Open Core now, why would you still want to use Gitea? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33339421 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33339421
- techknowlogick 2y agoHi, I'm on the TOC of Gitea, and I can definitively say that there is no cryptocurrency in Gitea or related to Gitea. As well, the project is not open-core, and you can verify that yourself by going to the project and seeing that all the code is MIT licensed: https://github.com/go-gitea/gitea https://github.com/go-gitea/gitea
- yencabulator 2y agoSo you're saying the press release promising a DAO and "an enhanced enterprise version" was not truthful?
- fitblipper 2y agoOrganic Maps is great and I'm hoping the transition to Forgejo goes smoothly for the project. I've recently started hiking and just generally going outside in my community more. When I relied on Google Maps I would get some random business highlighted when navigating around. Since I switched to Organic Maps I see trails, artwork, parks, scenic views, etc, etc that I never knew existed even in my own neighborhood. I also love the idea that if I find something not right on it I can just open up Open Street Map, make a simple edit, and improve the life of everyone else using the app that comes after me.
- tisizi 2y ago[dead]
- mcv 2y agoI love Organic Maps too. The UI could be a bit nicer, and sometimes it struggles to find where I want to go, but bicycles routes are far superior to those from Google.
- _lvbh 2y agoI travel by foot or public transport 90% of the time and don't have a SIM card with data (only for emergency calls). Organic maps has been amazing - just download the map ahead of time and never get lost again
- DoctorOW 2y agoI checked the IP. Another Hetzner server. I wonder how much they're making off of the distrust of the US Government and the companies helping their censorship.
- budududuroiu 2y agoAnother great reason to derisk from US-based products
- buyucu 2y agoorganic maps is a treasure. It's great. Microsoft messed up here.