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Lovable definitely seems to have a bit of a secret sauce. I've been trying to figure out how they do it. First, Claude3.7 is probably their backend model. Ge

Lovable definitely seems to have a bit of a secret sauce. I've been trying to figure out how they do it. First, Claude3.7 is probably their backend model. Gemini 2.5 Pro is definitely getting there but I'm pretty sure Claude is still king for this kind of work. Second, if you break up the design and then implementation, you get significantly better responses. Finally, you have throw in a bit of what I'm calling stable-diffusion-prompt-isms where you almost excessively drop references to known brands or design philosophies to trigger those 'latent' memories and steer away from the more-basic stuff that seems to otherwise surface.

echelon 2y ago
It's so good that I think it kills off a bunch of businesses. Anybody selling templates - dead. Anybody selling design services to pre-seed startups and small businesses - dead. Squarespace - probably dead soon too. Any startup not taking advantage of these tools is stuck in the past. This is the new "going fast". You can test your ideas so quickly with these tools. As a full stack engineer, I can build and design myself to a pretty reasonable degree. I'm not going to do that anymore. These tools are faster than me.
- diggan 2y ago
  > It's so good that I think it kills off a bunch of businesses. I disagree with the premise that somehow now all startups and small business would like to do their own webdesign simply because LLMs can help with some of the process, same goes for the rest of your points. Those business won't disappear, but instead they'll be able to make more with less, just like in the past when automation been improved. People don't suddenly get fired, but instead pick up new skills and can suddenly do much more. The dream was always that we could automate humanity enough so we can all have more free-time, but turns out that just have the same amount of free-time as before but now we're pushed to do even more in less time.
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  - bluefirebrand 2y ago
    > People don't suddenly get fired, but instead pick up new skills and can suddenly do much more. What idyllic utopia are you living in? It cannot be the same world I'm living in, we're just seeing mass layoffs here > The dream was always that we could automate humanity enough so we can all have more free-time, The dream of the workforce maybe. I think the dream of the wealthy and owner class is that they no longer need a workforce at all and can safely grind us workers into fertilizer without losing any quality of life for themselves
    - diggan 2y ago
      > It cannot be the same world I'm living in, we're just seeing mass layoffs here I'm seeing mass layoffs all around too, I believe it's because they added too many people in the past though, not because LLMs will suddenly replace a bunch of roles that suddenly won't need humans. Of course the companies won't admit to hiring too much before, but instead find the most convenient scapegoat. Having a different perspective is not living in a different world, it's just a different perspective. > I think the dream of the wealthy and owner class is that they no longer need a workforce at all and can safely grind us workers into fertilizer without losing any quality of life for themselves Certainly true in some countries like the US where the working and middle class basically has given up, but absolutely not true in other places. I'd love to see them try though, long time ago we rebalanced the scales so about time.
      - achierius 2y ago
        Why do you think your upper classes have a different dream just because your working classes are better at pushing back? They want the same thing as American ones so, and it's dangerous to forget that.
    - rco8786 2y ago
      > we're just seeing mass layoffs here zero of those jobs have been replaced by AI though. We're seeing layoffs because of a one-two punch of insane overhiring during/after covid followed immediately by an economic pullback and return to "lean" operating strategies.
  - sharemywin 2y ago
    as long as there's labor competition and legal monopolies the monopolies will always squeeze labor.
  - PeterStuer 2y ago
    I think you severely underestimate how poorly the average small business experience is with the small website production market. It's not just the price. Most I know feel scammed and would jump at the bit of getting rid of those "service providers"
- ninefoxgambit 2y ago
  I build and sell templates for a living. Like shadcnblocks.com or zerostatic.io. How long do you think I’ve got? It’s seriously an existential threat for me, but my sales don’t seem affected yet.
  - MarcelOlsz 2y ago
    You'll be fine for awhile. We're in the "somewhat usable but extremely annoying/complex UX" phase of all this AI stuff right now.
  - echelon 2y ago
    Go play with Lovable and see what you think. You shouldn't ignore your fears. The more you learn, the better prepared you'll be.
- bastadanii 2y ago
  As a designer myself (and writer of this post) I'm not really worried about AI taking my job. If you notice, all designs look extremely similar between each other and I believe uniqueness will be something very valuable in the future. I do believe AI makes processes much faster (I dont code, so I could skip asking a developer to create these webs and just have the AI create them) but customization, branding and brand's tone & voice are not really at risk as for now. We'll have to see how this evolves in the future. I definitely agree we all need to learn these tools and use them in our favor, but I'm not sure they'll directly take our jobs as for now. I remember having the same kind of fear of loosing my job around 10yrs ago when templates and came up, but we just learnt how to include them in our workflows and continued working from there.
apercu 2y ago
A little bummed that a prompt for a static website churns out a project that requires React. :)

echelon 2y ago

It's so good that I think it kills off a bunch of businesses. Anybody selling templates - dead. Anybody selling design services to pre-seed startups and small businesses - dead. Squarespace - probably dead soon too. Any startup not taking advantage of these tools is stuck in the past. This is the new "going fast". You can test your ideas so quickly with these tools. As a full stack engineer, I can build and design myself to a pretty reasonable degree. I'm not going to do that anymore. These tools are faster than me.

diggan 2y ago
> It's so good that I think it kills off a bunch of businesses. I disagree with the premise that somehow now all startups and small business would like to do their own webdesign simply because LLMs can help with some of the process, same goes for the rest of your points. Those business won't disappear, but instead they'll be able to make more with less, just like in the past when automation been improved. People don't suddenly get fired, but instead pick up new skills and can suddenly do much more. The dream was always that we could automate humanity enough so we can all have more free-time, but turns out that just have the same amount of free-time as before but now we're pushed to do even more in less time.
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- bluefirebrand 2y ago
  > People don't suddenly get fired, but instead pick up new skills and can suddenly do much more. What idyllic utopia are you living in? It cannot be the same world I'm living in, we're just seeing mass layoffs here > The dream was always that we could automate humanity enough so we can all have more free-time, The dream of the workforce maybe. I think the dream of the wealthy and owner class is that they no longer need a workforce at all and can safely grind us workers into fertilizer without losing any quality of life for themselves
  - diggan 2y ago
    > It cannot be the same world I'm living in, we're just seeing mass layoffs here I'm seeing mass layoffs all around too, I believe it's because they added too many people in the past though, not because LLMs will suddenly replace a bunch of roles that suddenly won't need humans. Of course the companies won't admit to hiring too much before, but instead find the most convenient scapegoat. Having a different perspective is not living in a different world, it's just a different perspective. > I think the dream of the wealthy and owner class is that they no longer need a workforce at all and can safely grind us workers into fertilizer without losing any quality of life for themselves Certainly true in some countries like the US where the working and middle class basically has given up, but absolutely not true in other places. I'd love to see them try though, long time ago we rebalanced the scales so about time.
    - achierius 2y ago
      Why do you think your upper classes have a different dream just because your working classes are better at pushing back? They want the same thing as American ones so, and it's dangerous to forget that.
  - rco8786 2y ago
    > we're just seeing mass layoffs here zero of those jobs have been replaced by AI though. We're seeing layoffs because of a one-two punch of insane overhiring during/after covid followed immediately by an economic pullback and return to "lean" operating strategies.
- sharemywin 2y ago
  as long as there's labor competition and legal monopolies the monopolies will always squeeze labor.
- PeterStuer 2y ago
  I think you severely underestimate how poorly the average small business experience is with the small website production market. It's not just the price. Most I know feel scammed and would jump at the bit of getting rid of those "service providers"
ninefoxgambit 2y ago
I build and sell templates for a living. Like shadcnblocks.com or zerostatic.io. How long do you think I’ve got? It’s seriously an existential threat for me, but my sales don’t seem affected yet.
- MarcelOlsz 2y ago
  You'll be fine for awhile. We're in the "somewhat usable but extremely annoying/complex UX" phase of all this AI stuff right now.
- echelon 2y ago
  Go play with Lovable and see what you think. You shouldn't ignore your fears. The more you learn, the better prepared you'll be.
bastadanii 2y ago
As a designer myself (and writer of this post) I'm not really worried about AI taking my job. If you notice, all designs look extremely similar between each other and I believe uniqueness will be something very valuable in the future. I do believe AI makes processes much faster (I dont code, so I could skip asking a developer to create these webs and just have the AI create them) but customization, branding and brand's tone & voice are not really at risk as for now. We'll have to see how this evolves in the future. I definitely agree we all need to learn these tools and use them in our favor, but I'm not sure they'll directly take our jobs as for now. I remember having the same kind of fear of loosing my job around 10yrs ago when templates and came up, but we just learnt how to include them in our workflows and continued working from there.

apercu 2y ago

A little bummed that a prompt for a static website churns out a project that requires React. :)