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The government can give out toothpaste in school, it doesn't need to add things to water. The inviolability or integrity of one's own body to me is more import

by vasco 2y ago

The government can give out toothpaste in school, it doesn't need to add things to water. The inviolability or integrity of one's own body to me is more important than any of this. You have the right to decide what medication to be given to you with informed consent always, or you have no freedom. Otherwise the freedom argument collapses and you stop having reasons to allow abortions, or a bunch of other informed consent situations. And "knowing better" than poor people "for their own good" usually doesn't go well (for the people).

mcny 2y ago
Would you also ban iron in wheat flour?
- vasco 2y ago
  I support the language here: https://fra.europa.eu/en/eu-charter/article/3-right-integrity-person https://fra.europa.eu/en/eu-charter/article/3-right-integrit... Article 3 - Right to integrity of the person 1. Everyone has the right to respect for his or her physical and mental integrity. 2. In the fields of medicine and biology, the following must be respected in particular: (a) the free and informed consent of the person concerned, according to the procedures laid down by law; (b) the prohibition of eugenic practices, in particular those aiming at the selection of persons; (c) the prohibition on making the human body and its parts as such a source of financial gain; (d) the prohibition of the reproductive cloning of human beings.
- wqaatwt 2y ago
  You can presumably buy a different brand of flour or find a different source quite easily? Same applies to most other “fortified” products. With water your’e basically forced to waste money on bottled water or very expensive filtration systems. But yes, adding additional vitamins or minerals to food products is generally unnecessary when supplements are generally cheap and highly available these days.
  - mcny 2y ago
    The knowledge about the supplements we need also cheap and highly available and yet lots of people don't have it. I myself don't know all the supplements I need. I feel like for better or worse we are being forced into an era of individual responsibilities where the safeguards that we used to rely on without having to think are being actively dismantled.
    - wqaatwt 2y ago
      > myself don't know all the supplements I need. That certainly doesn’t mean that whoever decided to put extra iron into flour knows that you need it. IIRC iron deficiency is pretty rare in men. Also it might have made sense 100 years ago when most people had very similar diets and lacked similar nutrients, not these days though.
pathartl 2y ago
Except schools handing out toothpaste will get brought up at thousands of board meetings across the country with sensitive or bored parents claiming government overreach and misuse of budgets.

by vasco 2y ago

mcny 2y ago

Would you also ban iron in wheat flour?

vasco 2y ago
I support the language here: https://fra.europa.eu/en/eu-charter/article/3-right-integrity-person https://fra.europa.eu/en/eu-charter/article/3-right-integrit... Article 3 - Right to integrity of the person 1. Everyone has the right to respect for his or her physical and mental integrity. 2. In the fields of medicine and biology, the following must be respected in particular: (a) the free and informed consent of the person concerned, according to the procedures laid down by law; (b) the prohibition of eugenic practices, in particular those aiming at the selection of persons; (c) the prohibition on making the human body and its parts as such a source of financial gain; (d) the prohibition of the reproductive cloning of human beings.
wqaatwt 2y ago
You can presumably buy a different brand of flour or find a different source quite easily? Same applies to most other “fortified” products. With water your’e basically forced to waste money on bottled water or very expensive filtration systems. But yes, adding additional vitamins or minerals to food products is generally unnecessary when supplements are generally cheap and highly available these days.
- mcny 2y ago
  The knowledge about the supplements we need also cheap and highly available and yet lots of people don't have it. I myself don't know all the supplements I need. I feel like for better or worse we are being forced into an era of individual responsibilities where the safeguards that we used to rely on without having to think are being actively dismantled.
  - wqaatwt 2y ago
    > myself don't know all the supplements I need. That certainly doesn’t mean that whoever decided to put extra iron into flour knows that you need it. IIRC iron deficiency is pretty rare in men. Also it might have made sense 100 years ago when most people had very similar diets and lacked similar nutrients, not these days though.

pathartl 2y ago

Except schools handing out toothpaste will get brought up at thousands of board meetings across the country with sensitive or bored parents claiming government overreach and misuse of budgets.