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Trade dispute? Well that is one way to call it. The threats of annexation (to us, Greenland, Panama…) general disrespect, news of people being held at the bord

by zeagle 2y ago

Trade dispute? Well that is one way to call it. The threats of annexation (to us, Greenland, Panama…) general disrespect, news of people being held at the border for days and then deported, all with ongoing support for the party doing this that ran on this platform is something is else.

zmgsabst 2y ago
Is it really? This seems a pretty obvious outcome of foreign allies constantly negging us for supporting their defense and international organizations taking advantage of the US while citizens are undermined at home. Progressive managerialism failed to regulate its excesses — and this is what it looks like when that machinery breaks.
- swarnie 2y ago
  The US dictated the rules of the modern world and have seemingly been happy with them for the last 80 years. Everyone is fine if you want a change, go back to your own country, stop trying to be World Police and focus on domestic issues for a few years. What we aren't happy about is the constant threats of invasion and subjugation.
  - zmgsabst 2y ago
    > The US dictated the rules of the modern world and have seemingly been happy with them for the last 80 years. The US isn’t a homogeneous entity: for at least 40 years (since the 1980s) there’s been a sharp divide between the general populace and the elites. Unfortunately, this wasn’t corrected until it became overwhelming resentment. You can look at the Seattle WTO riots for an example. > Everyone is fine if you want a change, go back to your own country, stop trying to be World Police and focus on domestic issues for a few years. NATO et al have repeatedly complained about just that. > What we aren't happy about is the constant threats of invasion and subjugation. Neither were Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, etc. What’s shocking to Canada and EU is not that the US has changed, but realizing where they stand in the world outside of a US supported alliance. The US is merely applying its policy from the past 80 years within its North American sphere of influence (ie, Canada, Greenland, Panama).
    - addicted 2y ago
      How many countries has the U.S. annexed in the last 80 years? You’re completely wrong. But even if you were right that the U.S. was simply applying its foreign policy to its “sphere of influence”, surely even you can see the immense foolishness of applying the same policies you have towards countries that are your enemies or even neutral to you, to countries that are your allies? Finally, even if we accept that it’s actually really smart to treat your allies as your enemies, in all those other cases the U.S. responded because of attacks by those countries on America, American Allies or American companies. In the current situation there’s no such excuse.
      - zmgsabst 2y ago
        The US is occupying two for profit right now: - occupying Syrian oil fields - strong arming Ukraine for mineral rights, after overthrowing a democratically elected government a decade ago > applying the same policies you have towards countries that are your enemies or even neutral to you, to countries that are your allies? My exact point is that after publicly shaming Americans (eg, mocking our lack of social spending while being deadbeats to NATO) and collaborating with their perceived enemies (eg, the US internationalist elites) for my entire lifetime, there’s a significant fraction of the US who sees the EU and Canada as adversarial. If they were allies, why have they spent generations mocking us for our contributions and working against our interests? > in all those other cases the U.S. responded because of attacks by those countries on America Syria, Libya, and Ukraine are counter examples. > In the current situation there’s no such excuse. Annexing Canada is the US equivalent of Russia retaining control of Ukraine or China slowly invading the ASEAN sea. That’s what the world looks like in an era of great powers engaging in realpolitik.
        inejge 2y ago
        > Annexing Canada is the US equivalent of Russia retaining control of Ukraine Yes, if you disregard a few hundreds of years of history. The reverse, Canada absorbing the US and restoring the continuation of the British Empire, would be more similar, although not equivalent by a long shot.
        2y ago
  - ashoeafoot 2y ago
    nothing is fine. Everyone gets nukes and that means in the short term all warrior cultures will be radioactive dust. Incompetent retro rulers might not get it, but the "retun to empire" is the final act for a ton of warmongers. I recommend visiting all the places that cause turmoil and make lots of photos. Mekka, Moscow, Istanbul, Bejing, Jerusalem, Teheran, etc. they might be gone soon, taken out by neighbors that had enough of land empires. You cant go full pasttard ala ISIL and expect life to continue in the modern world .So lets go see the sights! Delenda Moscovia !
- buyucu 2y ago
  nobody is negging the us for supporting their defence.
- libertine 2y ago
  Nuclear proliferation is the way to go, hopefully Ukraine, Germany, Poland, Romania, Finland, Sweden, South Korea and Japan will be the first in this new age. Denmark should consider it too asap.
- Germiningen 2y ago
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- mola 2y ago
  Negging you? That was the US policy. Disarm your allies while promising to protect them. Canada could've had nuclear weapons. You convinced them to not have it. Same with Ukraine and many more countries. Their fault was trusting the US to not become belligerent.
Yeul 2y ago
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- dehugger 2y ago
  I've yet to meet a single American laughing about any of this. I live 20 miles from the border and trade with Canadians is half the local economy. To say we are appalled would be an understatement.
  - ndsipa_pomu 2y ago
    > To say we are appalled would be an understatement. And yet are any of you doing anything other than just standing by and letting it happen? Edit: I can't reply at the moment (too many posts), so shall edit this to say that I hope that there is indeed substantial pushback and that you get your country back before too much damage is done. Here in the UK, there's not much attention given to the protests although the Tesla protests are mentioned.
    - quickslowdown 2y ago
      I saw a post on Bluesky recently that addressed this criticism, where it looks like nobody's doing anything. Protesting in the capital isn't feasible for most of the country, living thousanda of kilometers from the capital. The protests at Tesla dealerships are an example of a feasible form of protest for many. Representatives' voicemail boxes are full from all the calling. Alexandria Ocasio Cortez & Bernie are drawing enormous crowds on their tour, galvanizing people into smaller action in greater quantity. I agree we as a country aren't doing enough to right it, but we're definitely ramping up. This summer is going to get ugly, both with shit the administration will try & the responses they'll get as the weather warms up & physical protesting will draw in more people. I just hope the pushback is intense & undeniable. I hope enough people are pushed out of their comfort zone & into taking action.
    - dehugger 2y ago
      Yes, of course. Many Americans are. Almost none of them are doing so from a position of power, so my hopes for success are not high. Did you think that countries of hundreds of millions of people are just a homogeneous hivemind? That because the orange man won the election every single citizen was replaced with a red-hat wearing clone? I nearly wrote out a long list of local and state (WA) efforts to push back against the current administration, but frankly this isn't the forum for that. If you are actually interested in finding out what Americans are doing to try and reclaim sanity there are innumerable news sources at your disposal.

by zeagle 2y ago

zmgsabst 2y ago

Is it really? This seems a pretty obvious outcome of foreign allies constantly negging us for supporting their defense and international organizations taking advantage of the US while citizens are undermined at home. Progressive managerialism failed to regulate its excesses — and this is what it looks like when that machinery breaks.

swarnie 2y ago
The US dictated the rules of the modern world and have seemingly been happy with them for the last 80 years. Everyone is fine if you want a change, go back to your own country, stop trying to be World Police and focus on domestic issues for a few years. What we aren't happy about is the constant threats of invasion and subjugation.
- zmgsabst 2y ago
  > The US dictated the rules of the modern world and have seemingly been happy with them for the last 80 years. The US isn’t a homogeneous entity: for at least 40 years (since the 1980s) there’s been a sharp divide between the general populace and the elites. Unfortunately, this wasn’t corrected until it became overwhelming resentment. You can look at the Seattle WTO riots for an example. > Everyone is fine if you want a change, go back to your own country, stop trying to be World Police and focus on domestic issues for a few years. NATO et al have repeatedly complained about just that. > What we aren't happy about is the constant threats of invasion and subjugation. Neither were Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, etc. What’s shocking to Canada and EU is not that the US has changed, but realizing where they stand in the world outside of a US supported alliance. The US is merely applying its policy from the past 80 years within its North American sphere of influence (ie, Canada, Greenland, Panama).
  - addicted 2y ago
    How many countries has the U.S. annexed in the last 80 years? You’re completely wrong. But even if you were right that the U.S. was simply applying its foreign policy to its “sphere of influence”, surely even you can see the immense foolishness of applying the same policies you have towards countries that are your enemies or even neutral to you, to countries that are your allies? Finally, even if we accept that it’s actually really smart to treat your allies as your enemies, in all those other cases the U.S. responded because of attacks by those countries on America, American Allies or American companies. In the current situation there’s no such excuse.
    - zmgsabst 2y ago
      The US is occupying two for profit right now: - occupying Syrian oil fields - strong arming Ukraine for mineral rights, after overthrowing a democratically elected government a decade ago > applying the same policies you have towards countries that are your enemies or even neutral to you, to countries that are your allies? My exact point is that after publicly shaming Americans (eg, mocking our lack of social spending while being deadbeats to NATO) and collaborating with their perceived enemies (eg, the US internationalist elites) for my entire lifetime, there’s a significant fraction of the US who sees the EU and Canada as adversarial. If they were allies, why have they spent generations mocking us for our contributions and working against our interests? > in all those other cases the U.S. responded because of attacks by those countries on America Syria, Libya, and Ukraine are counter examples. > In the current situation there’s no such excuse. Annexing Canada is the US equivalent of Russia retaining control of Ukraine or China slowly invading the ASEAN sea. That’s what the world looks like in an era of great powers engaging in realpolitik.
      - inejge 2y ago
        > Annexing Canada is the US equivalent of Russia retaining control of Ukraine Yes, if you disregard a few hundreds of years of history. The reverse, Canada absorbing the US and restoring the continuation of the British Empire, would be more similar, although not equivalent by a long shot.
      - 2y ago
- ashoeafoot 2y ago
  nothing is fine. Everyone gets nukes and that means in the short term all warrior cultures will be radioactive dust. Incompetent retro rulers might not get it, but the "retun to empire" is the final act for a ton of warmongers. I recommend visiting all the places that cause turmoil and make lots of photos. Mekka, Moscow, Istanbul, Bejing, Jerusalem, Teheran, etc. they might be gone soon, taken out by neighbors that had enough of land empires. You cant go full pasttard ala ISIL and expect life to continue in the modern world .So lets go see the sights! Delenda Moscovia !
buyucu 2y ago
nobody is negging the us for supporting their defence.
libertine 2y ago
Nuclear proliferation is the way to go, hopefully Ukraine, Germany, Poland, Romania, Finland, Sweden, South Korea and Japan will be the first in this new age. Denmark should consider it too asap.
Germiningen 2y ago
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mola 2y ago
Negging you? That was the US policy. Disarm your allies while promising to protect them. Canada could've had nuclear weapons. You convinced them to not have it. Same with Ukraine and many more countries. Their fault was trusting the US to not become belligerent.

Yeul 2y ago

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dehugger 2y ago
I've yet to meet a single American laughing about any of this. I live 20 miles from the border and trade with Canadians is half the local economy. To say we are appalled would be an understatement.
- ndsipa_pomu 2y ago
  > To say we are appalled would be an understatement. And yet are any of you doing anything other than just standing by and letting it happen? Edit: I can't reply at the moment (too many posts), so shall edit this to say that I hope that there is indeed substantial pushback and that you get your country back before too much damage is done. Here in the UK, there's not much attention given to the protests although the Tesla protests are mentioned.
  - quickslowdown 2y ago
    I saw a post on Bluesky recently that addressed this criticism, where it looks like nobody's doing anything. Protesting in the capital isn't feasible for most of the country, living thousanda of kilometers from the capital. The protests at Tesla dealerships are an example of a feasible form of protest for many. Representatives' voicemail boxes are full from all the calling. Alexandria Ocasio Cortez & Bernie are drawing enormous crowds on their tour, galvanizing people into smaller action in greater quantity. I agree we as a country aren't doing enough to right it, but we're definitely ramping up. This summer is going to get ugly, both with shit the administration will try & the responses they'll get as the weather warms up & physical protesting will draw in more people. I just hope the pushback is intense & undeniable. I hope enough people are pushed out of their comfort zone & into taking action.
  - dehugger 2y ago
    Yes, of course. Many Americans are. Almost none of them are doing so from a position of power, so my hopes for success are not high. Did you think that countries of hundreds of millions of people are just a homogeneous hivemind? That because the orange man won the election every single citizen was replaced with a red-hat wearing clone? I nearly wrote out a long list of local and state (WA) efforts to push back against the current administration, but frankly this isn't the forum for that. If you are actually interested in finding out what Americans are doing to try and reclaim sanity there are innumerable news sources at your disposal.