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Even if she was involved in protests the Constitution applies to non-citizens as well. She has the right to protest provided she has committed no crime.

omnimus 2y ago
You can only protest the things that will not make it a crime. Protesting criminally is a crime.
- brandensilva 2y ago
  Writing differing views is not a crime. Still, even if what she did was somehow illegal or they had a legimate legal reason to revoke her visa she deserves to be able to face her accuser and not be abducted and denied her life, liberty and property without due process.
  - omnimus 2y ago
    Sorry it wasnt clear but that was my attempt at pure sarcasm. I thought the situation is absolutely nonsensical. Being able to disagree with anyone is part of our social fabric. Once you ban that then wild stuff starts to happen.
ranger_danger 2y ago
I believe the terms of student visas could technically prohibit protesting for things unrelated to your field of study, if a judge decided to interpret it that way.
- AlecSchueler 2y ago
  Surely constitutional rights take priority?
  - ranger_danger 2y ago
    Except violating the conditions of your visa would be a crime, no matter how free your speech is. And the First Amendment is about criticizing the US Government, not Israel.
    - AlecSchueler 2y ago
      The first amendment is about freedom of speech, not about criticising either the US or Israeli government. I don't believe that one can agree to waiver their constitutional rights so I'm not sure those visa conditions would be legal.
      - ranger_danger 2y ago
        https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-1/ https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-1/ > Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition *the Government* for a redress of grievances.
        AlecSchueler 2y ago
        > Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging *the freedom of speech, or of the press;* or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

omnimus 2y ago

You can only protest the things that will not make it a crime. Protesting criminally is a crime.

brandensilva 2y ago
Writing differing views is not a crime. Still, even if what she did was somehow illegal or they had a legimate legal reason to revoke her visa she deserves to be able to face her accuser and not be abducted and denied her life, liberty and property without due process.
- omnimus 2y ago
  Sorry it wasnt clear but that was my attempt at pure sarcasm. I thought the situation is absolutely nonsensical. Being able to disagree with anyone is part of our social fabric. Once you ban that then wild stuff starts to happen.

ranger_danger 2y ago

I believe the terms of student visas could technically prohibit protesting for things unrelated to your field of study, if a judge decided to interpret it that way.

AlecSchueler 2y ago
Surely constitutional rights take priority?
- ranger_danger 2y ago
  Except violating the conditions of your visa would be a crime, no matter how free your speech is. And the First Amendment is about criticizing the US Government, not Israel.
  - AlecSchueler 2y ago
    The first amendment is about freedom of speech, not about criticising either the US or Israeli government. I don't believe that one can agree to waiver their constitutional rights so I'm not sure those visa conditions would be legal.
    - ranger_danger 2y ago
      https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-1/ https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-1/ > Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition *the Government* for a redress of grievances.
      - AlecSchueler 2y ago
        > Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging *the freedom of speech, or of the press;* or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.