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> She was disappeared without due process or explanation Then how do you know it was only because of an op-ed?

necovek 2y ago
You are right that they can't know that, but the right conclusion according to US laws is that she is innocent until proven otherwise. So whatever it is, and it seems not to have been uncovered, the "response" seems unmeasured.
zasz 2y ago
That's a fair question. She has no interesting online activity besides that op-ed, so hard to see what else it could be.
- ranger_danger 2y ago
  Rubio made a very vague statement: https://edition.cnn.com/2025/03/29/us/rumeysa-ozturk-tufts-university-arrest-saturday/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2025/03/29/us/rumeysa-ozturk-tufts-u... Alleging that she was part of a larger group that committed crimes... but if that's the case, why didn't they arrest anyone else who was there?
  - omnimus 2y ago
    The crime is writing the op-ed. The group are the editors and other writers. They cannot be arrested - they dont have VISAs because they are US citizens.
    - ranger_danger 2y ago
      I was referring to her being at the site of a protest. Why weren't any other protesters arrested? You don't need a visa to be arrested.
      - omnimus 2y ago
        Because you cannot arrest US citizen just because they are at some gathering. You cant do that to someone on VISA. What you can do is take someones VISA on basis of small gathering that you call protest.
        ranger_danger 2y ago
        > Rubio suggested without evidence she was involved in disruptive student protests I wasn't trying to imply she was merely there, as Rubio is saying they participated. They never said the op-ed was related... so my question is, if the only reasoning is taking part in the protest, then why arrest nobody else who was there?
        omnimus 2y ago
        Maybe Rubio is not the most trustful source... i mean i said it before. They probably can't really get to US citizens. But they can take away peoples VISA on a whim. The reason is to send a message.
crtasm 2y ago
Her laywers have said that's what it appears to be over, also that she has not been charged with or accused of any crime. Noone else including the DHS have been able to show any other reason.
jghn 2y ago
That's the funny thing about due process. It allows us to understand what happened and why.
deckar01 2y ago
> Friends and colleagues of Ms Öztürk said she was not closely involved in pro-Palestinian protests that broke out on campuses last spring. They said her only activism was co-authoring the Tufts op-ed. https://amp.abc.net.au/article/105107664 https://amp.abc.net.au/article/105107664
- threeseed 2y ago
  Even if she was involved in protests the Constitution applies to non-citizens as well. She has the right to protest provided she has committed no crime.
  - omnimus 2y ago
    You can only protest the things that will not make it a crime. Protesting criminally is a crime.
    - brandensilva 2y ago
      Writing differing views is not a crime. Still, even if what she did was somehow illegal or they had a legimate legal reason to revoke her visa she deserves to be able to face her accuser and not be abducted and denied her life, liberty and property without due process.
      - omnimus 2y ago
        Sorry it wasnt clear but that was my attempt at pure sarcasm. I thought the situation is absolutely nonsensical. Being able to disagree with anyone is part of our social fabric. Once you ban that then wild stuff starts to happen.
  - ranger_danger 2y ago
    I believe the terms of student visas could technically prohibit protesting for things unrelated to your field of study, if a judge decided to interpret it that way.
Terr_ 2y ago
Just as we should assume innocence until proven-guilty, we should assume the arresting authorities have terrible bad reasons until they show us good ones.
- ranger_danger 2y ago
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You are right that they can't know that, but the right conclusion according to US laws is that she is innocent until proven otherwise. So whatever it is, and it seems not to have been uncovered, the "response" seems unmeasured.

zasz 2y ago

That's a fair question. She has no interesting online activity besides that op-ed, so hard to see what else it could be.

ranger_danger 2y ago
Rubio made a very vague statement: https://edition.cnn.com/2025/03/29/us/rumeysa-ozturk-tufts-university-arrest-saturday/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2025/03/29/us/rumeysa-ozturk-tufts-u... Alleging that she was part of a larger group that committed crimes... but if that's the case, why didn't they arrest anyone else who was there?
- omnimus 2y ago
  The crime is writing the op-ed. The group are the editors and other writers. They cannot be arrested - they dont have VISAs because they are US citizens.
  - ranger_danger 2y ago
    I was referring to her being at the site of a protest. Why weren't any other protesters arrested? You don't need a visa to be arrested.
    - omnimus 2y ago
      Because you cannot arrest US citizen just because they are at some gathering. You cant do that to someone on VISA. What you can do is take someones VISA on basis of small gathering that you call protest.
      - ranger_danger 2y ago
        > Rubio suggested without evidence she was involved in disruptive student protests I wasn't trying to imply she was merely there, as Rubio is saying they participated. They never said the op-ed was related... so my question is, if the only reasoning is taking part in the protest, then why arrest nobody else who was there?
        omnimus 2y ago
        Maybe Rubio is not the most trustful source... i mean i said it before. They probably can't really get to US citizens. But they can take away peoples VISA on a whim. The reason is to send a message.

crtasm 2y ago

Her laywers have said that's what it appears to be over, also that she has not been charged with or accused of any crime. Noone else including the DHS have been able to show any other reason.

jghn 2y ago

That's the funny thing about due process. It allows us to understand what happened and why.

deckar01 2y ago

> Friends and colleagues of Ms Öztürk said she was not closely involved in pro-Palestinian protests that broke out on campuses last spring. They said her only activism was co-authoring the Tufts op-ed. https://amp.abc.net.au/article/105107664 https://amp.abc.net.au/article/105107664

threeseed 2y ago
Even if she was involved in protests the Constitution applies to non-citizens as well. She has the right to protest provided she has committed no crime.
- omnimus 2y ago
  You can only protest the things that will not make it a crime. Protesting criminally is a crime.
  - brandensilva 2y ago
    Writing differing views is not a crime. Still, even if what she did was somehow illegal or they had a legimate legal reason to revoke her visa she deserves to be able to face her accuser and not be abducted and denied her life, liberty and property without due process.
    - omnimus 2y ago
      Sorry it wasnt clear but that was my attempt at pure sarcasm. I thought the situation is absolutely nonsensical. Being able to disagree with anyone is part of our social fabric. Once you ban that then wild stuff starts to happen.
- ranger_danger 2y ago
  I believe the terms of student visas could technically prohibit protesting for things unrelated to your field of study, if a judge decided to interpret it that way.

Terr_ 2y ago

Just as we should assume innocence until proven-guilty, we should assume the arresting authorities have terrible bad reasons until they show us good ones.

ranger_danger 2y ago
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