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Trump's Police Are Now Disappearing Students for Their Op-Eds
- ranger_danger 2y ago> She was disappeared without due process or explanation Then how do you know it was only because of an op-ed?
- necovek 2y agoYou are right that they can't know that, but the right conclusion according to US laws is that she is innocent until proven otherwise. So whatever it is, and it seems not to have been uncovered, the "response" seems unmeasured.
- zasz 2y agoThat's a fair question. She has no interesting online activity besides that op-ed, so hard to see what else it could be.
- ranger_danger 2y agoRubio made a very vague statement: https://edition.cnn.com/2025/03/29/us/rumeysa-ozturk-tufts-university-arrest-saturday/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2025/03/29/us/rumeysa-ozturk-tufts-u... Alleging that she was part of a larger group that committed crimes... but if that's the case, why didn't they arrest anyone else who was there?
- omnimus 2y agoThe crime is writing the op-ed. The group are the editors and other writers. They cannot be arrested - they dont have VISAs because they are US citizens.
- ranger_danger 2y agoI was referring to her being at the site of a protest. Why weren't any other protesters arrested? You don't need a visa to be arrested.
- omnimus 2y agoBecause you cannot arrest US citizen just because they are at some gathering. You cant do that to someone on VISA. What you can do is take someones VISA on basis of small gathering that you call protest.
- ranger_danger 2y ago> Rubio suggested without evidence she was involved in disruptive student protests I wasn't trying to imply she was merely there, as Rubio is saying they participated. They never said the op-ed was related... so my question is, if the only reasoning is taking part in the protest, then why arrest nobody else who was there?
- omnimus 2y agoMaybe Rubio is not the most trustful source... i mean i said it before. They probably can't really get to US citizens. But they can take away peoples VISA on a whim. The reason is to send a message.
- crtasm 2y agoHer laywers have said that's what it appears to be over, also that she has not been charged with or accused of any crime. Noone else including the DHS have been able to show any other reason.
- jghn 2y agoThat's the funny thing about due process. It allows us to understand what happened and why.
- deckar01 2y ago> Friends and colleagues of Ms Öztürk said she was not closely involved in pro-Palestinian protests that broke out on campuses last spring. They said her only activism was co-authoring the Tufts op-ed. https://amp.abc.net.au/article/105107664 https://amp.abc.net.au/article/105107664
- threeseed 2y agoEven if she was involved in protests the Constitution applies to non-citizens as well. She has the right to protest provided she has committed no crime.
- omnimus 2y agoYou can only protest the things that will not make it a crime. Protesting criminally is a crime.
- brandensilva 2y agoWriting differing views is not a crime. Still, even if what she did was somehow illegal or they had a legimate legal reason to revoke her visa she deserves to be able to face her accuser and not be abducted and denied her life, liberty and property without due process.
- omnimus 2y agoSorry it wasnt clear but that was my attempt at pure sarcasm. I thought the situation is absolutely nonsensical. Being able to disagree with anyone is part of our social fabric. Once you ban that then wild stuff starts to happen.
- ranger_danger 2y agoI believe the terms of student visas could technically prohibit protesting for things unrelated to your field of study, if a judge decided to interpret it that way.
- Terr_ 2y agoJust as we should assume innocence until proven-guilty, we should assume the arresting authorities have terrible bad reasons until they show us good ones.
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- tehjoker 2y agoRead the Jakarta Method: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/53054943-the-jakarta-method https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/53054943-the-jakarta-met...
- phony-account 2y agoThis is so utterly frightening. And disturbing to see how quickly stories like this are flagged into invisibility on HN. edit: luckily enough people vouched for the story to be rescued.
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- davidmurdoch 2y agoIt's on the front page right now.
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- SanjayMehta 2y agoI don’t see any criticism of Israel per se in this article; it’s mostly about US’ 1st Amendment rights and due process. As an outsider, especially as one who visited the US every quarter for over two decades, and was asked every time on the purpose of my weeklong trip, I see nothing wrong with the deportation of someone in violation of their visa requirements. I also don’t see how foreigners (or “aliens” as US law seems to prefer) can claim protection under the US Constitution. If the latter does provide it, that’s great, but frankly it makes no sense to me. As a visitor to a country I expect to follow that country’s laws, and not expect any privileges which are afforded to that country’s citizens.
- aaplok 2y ago> I also don’t see how foreigners (or “aliens” as US law seems to prefer) can claim protection under the US Constitution. If the latter does provide it, that’s great, but frankly it makes no sense to me. Everybody, including the country's citizens, are also expected to follow the country's law. If you come to the US and get mauled, as a non-citizen you have the right to the same protection as anybody else. If you are suspected of mauling someone, as a non-citizen you are afforded the same rights to a fair trial as citizens. If it was legal in the US to beat up a foreigner because they are not protected by the law, it wouldn't be very safe for you. This is the rule of law [0] and is a really important concept in modern democracy. This is why foreigners on US soil can expect some protection by the laws of the country, of which the constitution is the foundation. > As a visitor to a country I expect to follow that country’s laws, and not expect any privileges which are afforded to that country’s citizens. Visas indeed have additional legal requirements, typically around rights to work or study. It is unlikely that a US visa would specifically restrict speech or protests (you are welcome to check this in your visas), and so it is the rule of law that applies. In short, what is being disputed here is not that a foreign citizen was deported for violating the law, but that the deportation was decided by the executive branch of government, which is a breach of the separation of powers. The response by the government is that it is legal for them to rescind any visa arbitrarily. This is currently being debated hotly in the US, and is essentially the background for this article. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_of_law https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_of_law
- crtasm 2y agoUpdate since this was written - she "...cannot be deported without a court order, a US judge ordered on Friday." https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/28/rumeysa-ozturk-tufts-ice https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/28/rumeysa-oztu...
- marcus0x62 2y agoAs of Friday, district court judge has ruled Ms Ozturk cannot be deported without the approval of the court. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/detained-tufts-student-cant-be-deported-to-turkey-without-court-order-judge-says https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/detained-tufts-student...
- geor9e 2y ago"DHS + ICE investigations found Ozturk engaged in activities in support of Hamas" — a high ranking government official https://x.com/TriciaOhio/status/1904982944474648587 https://x.com/TriciaOhio/status/1904982944474648587 Her op-ed never mentioned Hamas by name. This seems to be the closest it came: "systemic changes that the collective voice of the student body is calling for are for the University to end its complicity with Israel insofar as it is oppressing the Palestinian people and denying their right to self-determination" — https://www.tuftsdaily.com/article/2024/03/4ftk27sm6jkj https://www.tuftsdaily.com/article/2024/03/4ftk27sm6jkj Despite the headline, the author admits they don't actually know that the op-ed was a reason for the arrest — "She was disappeared without due process or explanation — only later did we learn she had been renditioned to a detention center in Louisiana."
- iJohnDoe 2y agoGenuine question because I try to avoid all the Trump and DOGE stuff. What’s the deal with all the Canadian and European border events? I thought all the focus was on Mexico and illegal immigrants? Of all things, who cares about Canada and Europe and why all the fuss? Why go through the trouble over these students? Someone actually remembered the student newspaper article they wrote and now have the opportunity to go after them? Is it simply because the border agents feel empowered under Trump or is it bigger than that?
- beej71 2y agoLet this be a lesson to any foreigners thinking about visiting the United States.
- hnburnsy 2y agoFor more background here is what Rubio said on Rumeysa Ozturk... “We revoked her visa. It’s an F-1 visa, I believe. We revoked it, and here’s why—I’ve said it everywhere, and I’ll say it again. Let me be abundantly clear: If you apply for a student visa to come to the United States and you say you’re coming not just to study, but to participate in movements that vandalize universities, harass students, take over buildings, and cause chaos—we’re not giving you that visa. If you lie, get the visa, and then engage in that kind of behavior once you’re here, we’re going to revoke it. And once your visa is revoked, you’re no longer legally in the United States. Like every country, we have the right to remove you. It’s that simple. It’s crazy—stupid, even—for any country to let people in who say, ‘I’m going to your universities to riot, take over libraries, and harass people.’ I don’t care what movement you’re with. Why would any country allow that? We gave you a visa to study and earn a degree—not to become a social activist tearing up our campuses. If you use your visa to do that, we’ll take it away. And I encourage every country to do the same. Every country has the right to decide who enters as a visitor. If you invite me to your house for dinner and I start putting mud on your couch and spray-painting your kitchen, you’re going to kick me out. We’ll do the same if you come to the U.S. and cause a ruckus. We don’t want that here. Go do it in your own country—but not in ours.”
- jauntywundrkind 2y agoRubio is a sad sack of garbage, using the same mud slinging always on the attack belittling everyone everywhere vileness that is this fucked up administration's only way of coping with reality & the rest of the world. You're going to take the word of a lunatic who signed off on not just deporting random people, but shipping them into slavery at an El Salvador super prison? A dude who has an autism tattoo in support of his brother? A dude who has his soccer team's logo as his tattoo? Rubio & this administration are deeply unserious, acting as capriciously as possible. There's been no evidence, and incredible refusal to even allow the courts their legal chance to review grievances filed for Alien Enemies Act, as is required. Having the head of state going around bullying people who wrote to the college Op-Eds is insane. This is so far below their status. Rubio is pissing his panties because someone wrote an op-ed accurately and simply asking the college to please recognize & act on a lawful & decent vote by the Tufts Community Union Senate is not a horrible act. This isn't putting mud on the couch or spray painting a kitchen, this is very basic & civil free speech, and Rubio is pissing on the bill of rights that Americans for 250 years have been proud of. Because he's a monster & a coward, in bed with other monsters and cowards.