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The storage requirements are still massive. I would guess the raw footage for something like severance (and they probably shoot in at least 4k) is going to be i

The storage requirements are still massive. I would guess the raw footage for something like severance (and they probably shoot in at least 4k) is going to be in the area of a petabyte for the entire season. Even today it's not close to practical to have an entire episode's worth of raw footage (of which there'll be many many takes, many many angles) entirely on an editor's workstation. The surprising aspect is that they don't use proxies for editing rather than remote desktop.

jpc0 2y ago
> The surprising aspect is that they don't use proxies for editing rather than remote desktop. In my experience it is way easier to scale storage bandwidth than compute, atleast locally. There has been times where I've been able to cut a shoot from the raw files, and this has beeen corroborated by other editors, beforr proxies were available. So it took less time to cut and submit for review than to actually generate the proxy media. Sure if your workflow had a decent gap between shooting and post then generating proxies is trivial but sometimes a little more storage and memory bandwidth goes a very long way.
jiveturkey 2y ago
Ben Stiller claims just 83 terabytes for editing. Maybe this is the size of proxies. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXNQ01Sy6Xw&t=45s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXNQ01Sy6Xw&t=45s
- epcoa 2y ago
  83 terabytes of raw footage for one episode (the S2 finale). This was the longest episode (which doesn't necessarily correspond with footage shot). But for a 10 episode 4K HDR series, 1 PB is in the ballpark for a season.
  - peterldowns 2y ago
    And yet they still can't stream me a 4k hdr file without noticeable banding all over all of those white hallways. It's funny how this is the highest quality stuff yet has the lowest quality defects at the same time due to fundamental limitations of digital systems.
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    - throwaway290 2y ago
      It is not a "fundamental limitation of digital systems". It is a limitation of streaming services. If you had more throughout, more bit depth, etc you would have enough colors to not see banding. But the bitrates required (if you insist on 4k) are tough on SSD/HDD IO to say nothing about your network connection. And even if you have the best connection ever, most people don't and streaming services will want the bitrate to be as low as possible as long as the average viewer is not too upset, because delivering higher bitrate costs service real money and most customers don't have the connection for it and don't care about banding
steve1977 2y ago
> The surprising aspect is that they don't use proxies for editing rather than remote desktop. Who says they're not using proxies and remote desktop?

jpc0 2y ago

> The surprising aspect is that they don't use proxies for editing rather than remote desktop. In my experience it is way easier to scale storage bandwidth than compute, atleast locally. There has been times where I've been able to cut a shoot from the raw files, and this has beeen corroborated by other editors, beforr proxies were available. So it took less time to cut and submit for review than to actually generate the proxy media. Sure if your workflow had a decent gap between shooting and post then generating proxies is trivial but sometimes a little more storage and memory bandwidth goes a very long way.

jiveturkey 2y ago

Ben Stiller claims just 83 terabytes for editing. Maybe this is the size of proxies. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXNQ01Sy6Xw&t=45s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXNQ01Sy6Xw&t=45s

epcoa 2y ago
83 terabytes of raw footage for one episode (the S2 finale). This was the longest episode (which doesn't necessarily correspond with footage shot). But for a 10 episode 4K HDR series, 1 PB is in the ballpark for a season.
- peterldowns 2y ago
  And yet they still can't stream me a 4k hdr file without noticeable banding all over all of those white hallways. It's funny how this is the highest quality stuff yet has the lowest quality defects at the same time due to fundamental limitations of digital systems.
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  - throwaway290 2y ago
    It is not a "fundamental limitation of digital systems". It is a limitation of streaming services. If you had more throughout, more bit depth, etc you would have enough colors to not see banding. But the bitrates required (if you insist on 4k) are tough on SSD/HDD IO to say nothing about your network connection. And even if you have the best connection ever, most people don't and streaming services will want the bitrate to be as low as possible as long as the average viewer is not too upset, because delivering higher bitrate costs service real money and most customers don't have the connection for it and don't care about banding

steve1977 2y ago

> The surprising aspect is that they don't use proxies for editing rather than remote desktop. Who says they're not using proxies and remote desktop?