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> If this isn't monetized, is there any reason against opening its source? I personally would like to be able to disable the usage analytics and crash reports.

by JadeNB 2y ago

> If this isn't monetized, is there any reason against opening its source? I personally would like to be able to disable the usage analytics and crash reports. Although I personally deplore it and try to stay away from software that requires it, or even opts me in, I nonetheless think that it's reasonable for a developer to impose telemetry as a requirement for people to make use of their freely available software.

HeatrayEnjoyer 2y ago
As long as it's opt-in, sure. Otherwise it's be an illegal GDPR breach.
- rockemsockem 2y ago
  Pretty sure if they just don't you use the software without opting in then it isn't a GDPR breach... You aren't entitled to use the software.
  - 47282847 2y ago
    GDPR is very clear about how you are not allowed to make data collection a requirement for use. It is a straightforward set of rules written in simple language and it’s not very long either. It’s not necessary to rely on third party readings or interpretations of it. Just go ahead and read it yourself and you will be well equipped to apply and argue about it.
    - phkahler 2y ago
      But then you could not allow access from the EU.
    - quotemstr 2y ago
      > GDPR is very clear about how you are not allowed to make data collection a requirement for use. Everyone --- even German newspapers --- flouts this rule. "Consent or pay" is a common strategy.
      - 47282847 2y ago
        And they keep losing in courts about it.
    - rockemsockem 2y ago
      Except I can just deny all of Europe access? Then anyone who wants to use it has to pretend to not be European through a VPN or otherwise.
      - rockemsockem 2y ago
        You can argue specifics and nitpick, but the outcome is effectively the same.
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prophesi 2y ago
The first thing I'd do if it were open source is spin up a PR to allow the telemetry to be opt-in. After two decades of being the product, it's hard to trust any data collection done by companies outside the EU.

by JadeNB 2y ago

HeatrayEnjoyer 2y ago

As long as it's opt-in, sure. Otherwise it's be an illegal GDPR breach.

rockemsockem 2y ago
Pretty sure if they just don't you use the software without opting in then it isn't a GDPR breach... You aren't entitled to use the software.
- 47282847 2y ago
  GDPR is very clear about how you are not allowed to make data collection a requirement for use. It is a straightforward set of rules written in simple language and it’s not very long either. It’s not necessary to rely on third party readings or interpretations of it. Just go ahead and read it yourself and you will be well equipped to apply and argue about it.
  - phkahler 2y ago
    But then you could not allow access from the EU.
  - quotemstr 2y ago
    > GDPR is very clear about how you are not allowed to make data collection a requirement for use. Everyone --- even German newspapers --- flouts this rule. "Consent or pay" is a common strategy.
    - 47282847 2y ago
      And they keep losing in courts about it.
  - rockemsockem 2y ago
    Except I can just deny all of Europe access? Then anyone who wants to use it has to pretend to not be European through a VPN or otherwise.
    - rockemsockem 2y ago
      You can argue specifics and nitpick, but the outcome is effectively the same.

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prophesi 2y ago

The first thing I'd do if it were open source is spin up a PR to allow the telemetry to be opt-in. After two decades of being the product, it's hard to trust any data collection done by companies outside the EU.