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The very fact that Apple thought they were going to run AI on iPhones says that leadership doesn't understand AI technology and simply mandated requirements to

The very fact that Apple thought they were going to run AI on iPhones says that leadership doesn't understand AI technology and simply mandated requirements to engineers without wanting to be bothered by details. In other words, Apple seems to be badly managed

jackvalentine 2y ago
> The very fact that Apple thought they were going to run AI on iPhones Nope https://security.apple.com/blog/private-cloud-compute/ https://security.apple.com/blog/private-cloud-compute/
- natch 2y ago
  "iCloud is secure… we don't have the keys."* *except for backup. oops.
  - lurking_swe 2y ago
    iCloud Advanced Data Protection exists. you’re welcome: https://support.apple.com/en-us/108756 https://support.apple.com/en-us/108756
    - eesmith 2y ago
      Offer void where prohibited by law. https://support.apple.com/en-us/122234 https://support.apple.com/en-us/122234 How certain are you that the US has not issued a secret order, eg, via the FISA court, to turn off data protection for someone's account?
      - lurking_swe 2y ago
        good point about different regions. And if that is part of your risk profile, you should not be backing up your stuff in the cloud using google or apple PERIOD.
        eesmith 2y ago
        Yes, I believe that was natch's point in the g'g'parent comment.
    - natch 2y ago
      iCloud ADP is secure* *We are not allowed to tell you this part. In fact, this line and the star were edited out prior to publication. You’re welcome.
iknowstuff 2y ago
Shoulda kept Scott Forstall
- DidYaWipe 2y ago
  Yeah, because that Maps launch went so well.
solid_fuel 2y ago
I disagree. I think targeting running models on end user devices is a good goal, and it's the ideal case for user privacy and latency. The human brain consumes around 20 watts, while of course there are substantial differences with implementation I think it's reasonable to draw a line and say that eventually we should expect models to hit similar levels of performance per watt. We see some evidence now that small models can achieve high levels of performance with better training techniques, and it's perfectly conceivable that acceptable levels of performance for general use will eventually be baked into models small enough to run on end hardware. And at the speed of development here, "eventually" could mean 1-2 years.
DidYaWipe 2y ago
Actually, it's more of a sad capitulation to lazy armchair "analysts" and "pundits" who whined incessantly that Apple was "behind on AI," without taking stock of the fact that Apple does not NEED "AI." It does not serve their core businesses, product line, or users. Instead of loudly jumping on this depressing bandwagon, Apple should have quietly improved Siri and then announced it when it was WORKING.

jackvalentine 2y ago

> The very fact that Apple thought they were going to run AI on iPhones Nope https://security.apple.com/blog/private-cloud-compute/ https://security.apple.com/blog/private-cloud-compute/

natch 2y ago
"iCloud is secure… we don't have the keys."* *except for backup. oops.
- lurking_swe 2y ago
  iCloud Advanced Data Protection exists. you’re welcome: https://support.apple.com/en-us/108756 https://support.apple.com/en-us/108756
  - eesmith 2y ago
    Offer void where prohibited by law. https://support.apple.com/en-us/122234 https://support.apple.com/en-us/122234 How certain are you that the US has not issued a secret order, eg, via the FISA court, to turn off data protection for someone's account?
    - lurking_swe 2y ago
      good point about different regions. And if that is part of your risk profile, you should not be backing up your stuff in the cloud using google or apple PERIOD.
      - eesmith 2y ago
        Yes, I believe that was natch's point in the g'g'parent comment.
  - natch 2y ago
    iCloud ADP is secure* *We are not allowed to tell you this part. In fact, this line and the star were edited out prior to publication. You’re welcome.

iknowstuff 2y ago

Shoulda kept Scott Forstall

DidYaWipe 2y ago
Yeah, because that Maps launch went so well.

solid_fuel 2y ago

I disagree. I think targeting running models on end user devices is a good goal, and it's the ideal case for user privacy and latency. The human brain consumes around 20 watts, while of course there are substantial differences with implementation I think it's reasonable to draw a line and say that eventually we should expect models to hit similar levels of performance per watt. We see some evidence now that small models can achieve high levels of performance with better training techniques, and it's perfectly conceivable that acceptable levels of performance for general use will eventually be baked into models small enough to run on end hardware. And at the speed of development here, "eventually" could mean 1-2 years.

DidYaWipe 2y ago

Actually, it's more of a sad capitulation to lazy armchair "analysts" and "pundits" who whined incessantly that Apple was "behind on AI," without taking stock of the fact that Apple does not NEED "AI." It does not serve their core businesses, product line, or users. Instead of loudly jumping on this depressing bandwagon, Apple should have quietly improved Siri and then announced it when it was WORKING.