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My problem with Kagi is the AI junk. I get that people want it, but I do not, and I don't want to pay for it. In other words, if there is no "zero AI" plan that

My problem with Kagi is the AI junk. I get that people want it, but I do not, and I don't want to pay for it. In other words, if there is no "zero AI" plan that is cheaper than the equivalent one with AI, then count me out. And it doesn't even have to be that much cheaper. Maybe 15% or so. That said, a lot of people want it, so I hold no grudge that they do it. It certainly is reasonable use of AI compared to others.

JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> it doesn't even have to be that much cheaper. Maybe 15% or so Isn’t this the $10 versus $25 plan?
JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> it doesn't even have to be that much cheaper. Maybe 15% or so Isn’t this the $10 versus $25 plan? Are you saying you’d feel better if they charged you $9 and turned off quick answers? (Which are totally optional to use.)
- sshine 2y ago
  The $10/mo. plan is technically not "without AI". You still have FastGPT (quick answers), meaning any query ending with "?" aggregates an answer based on the scraping of the top search results, rather fast. And you have Kagi Translate, and Universal Summarizer. So there isn't a "no AI Kagi subscription". But the search itself is worth $10/mo. if you ask me. I subscribed a year before I bought into AI, and I was very happy with it. I believe you're funding a free tier more than you're funding AI product research.
  - JohnFen 2y ago
    The AI stuff is mostly easy to ignore, just don't end your queries with a question mark. Image search is more annoying, though, because you have to click a button every time to remove AI results. You can't set a persistent preference.
    - wpm 2y ago
      I should be able to go into my settings and just say “don’t ever show me AI search results unless I ask, which doesn’t mean using a normal, commonplace punctuation mark”. It’s very frustrating that “turn it off” is a fucking afterthought to “turn it on” for a service I pay for.
      - ksala_ 2y ago
        You can do that https://help.kagi.com/kagi/settings/ai.html https://help.kagi.com/kagi/settings/ai.html
      - sshine 2y ago
        > “turn it off” is a fucking afterthought to “turn it on” Kagi is an AI-oriented company from the start, not an “… and AI!” gimmick. AI-curated search results are believed to eventually replace normal search results. If I just want a factoid on a website, I might as well have a program crawl and scan for it. If I want the summary and I don’t bother reading the long version, I might as well have a program crawl and summarise. If I want specific details in a big document, and I am not familiar with the wording to look for, I might as well prompt. It’s like complaining about shellfish at a seafood restaurant. :-)
        wpm 2y ago
        Kagi was not, to my memory, positioned this way early on when I started paying for it. It was "search but not dogshit because we're not being sponsored by the search results". If I want a factoid on a website, I want to see it with my own eyes, not filtered through some non-deterministic shit machine that might tell me the right answer. To each their own but me getting what I want doesn't get in your way at all, so we should both be able to use Kagi the way we want to.

JumpCrisscross 2y ago

> it doesn't even have to be that much cheaper. Maybe 15% or so Isn’t this the $10 versus $25 plan?

JumpCrisscross 2y ago

> it doesn't even have to be that much cheaper. Maybe 15% or so Isn’t this the $10 versus $25 plan? Are you saying you’d feel better if they charged you $9 and turned off quick answers? (Which are totally optional to use.)

sshine 2y ago
The $10/mo. plan is technically not "without AI". You still have FastGPT (quick answers), meaning any query ending with "?" aggregates an answer based on the scraping of the top search results, rather fast. And you have Kagi Translate, and Universal Summarizer. So there isn't a "no AI Kagi subscription". But the search itself is worth $10/mo. if you ask me. I subscribed a year before I bought into AI, and I was very happy with it. I believe you're funding a free tier more than you're funding AI product research.
- JohnFen 2y ago
  The AI stuff is mostly easy to ignore, just don't end your queries with a question mark. Image search is more annoying, though, because you have to click a button every time to remove AI results. You can't set a persistent preference.
  - wpm 2y ago
    I should be able to go into my settings and just say “don’t ever show me AI search results unless I ask, which doesn’t mean using a normal, commonplace punctuation mark”. It’s very frustrating that “turn it off” is a fucking afterthought to “turn it on” for a service I pay for.
    - ksala_ 2y ago
      You can do that https://help.kagi.com/kagi/settings/ai.html https://help.kagi.com/kagi/settings/ai.html
    - sshine 2y ago
      > “turn it off” is a fucking afterthought to “turn it on” Kagi is an AI-oriented company from the start, not an “… and AI!” gimmick. AI-curated search results are believed to eventually replace normal search results. If I just want a factoid on a website, I might as well have a program crawl and scan for it. If I want the summary and I don’t bother reading the long version, I might as well have a program crawl and summarise. If I want specific details in a big document, and I am not familiar with the wording to look for, I might as well prompt. It’s like complaining about shellfish at a seafood restaurant. :-)
      - wpm 2y ago
        Kagi was not, to my memory, positioned this way early on when I started paying for it. It was "search but not dogshit because we're not being sponsored by the search results". If I want a factoid on a website, I want to see it with my own eyes, not filtered through some non-deterministic shit machine that might tell me the right answer. To each their own but me getting what I want doesn't get in your way at all, so we should both be able to use Kagi the way we want to.