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The title is trying to imply that people are being targeted for being physicists or other "benign" scientific work, but that is not the case; Their expressed po

The title is trying to imply that people are being targeted for being physicists or other "benign" scientific work, but that is not the case; Their expressed political opinions are why they're targeted. It's still wrong, it's still bad, but there's no need to mislead people.

atoav 2y ago
Scientists are people who for a living often need to cross international borders. The current administration has shown no respect for the Rule of Law and the borders are the place where you will be affected in the worst way if someone gets provoked by something. Lawful or not, you may not be on US soil yet when it happens.
roxolotl 2y ago
There is no such thing as benign scientific work. Questioning the nature of reality at its core is a radical act. As we’re seeing with tons of biology research there are right and wrong questions. It is only time till that spreads.
rsoto2 2y ago
No, the title is implying when professors are being targeted that's when fascism is here; because that's sort of historically what has happened(and it has been historically based on political beliefs, race, or physical appearance) CS Professor arrested today https://www.reddit.com/r/immigration/comments/1jmrtzz/indiana_university_cs_professor_has_been_arrested/ https://www.reddit.com/r/immigration/comments/1jmrtzz/indian...
- drstewart 2y ago
  >CS Professor arrested today So? Does being a professor give you some kind of immunity against crimes?
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > Does being a professor give you some kind of immunity against crimes? The state has been able to prove precisely zero crimes in a court of law thus far. By Rubio’s admission, they may be arresting without warrants. The criminals are the ones covering their faces while pretending to act under the colour of law.
    - nocoolnametom 2y ago
      And it'll be pretty easy to keep track of how many crimes they _do_ discover, because the first one will be trumpeted loudly everywhere, and then after that they'll use the entire list of people as though it's a partial example: "How do we know that this individual is not associated with <crimes>, as we've already seen with _countless_ examples, like <the unspoken entirety of the list of examples>?"
    - drstewart 2y ago
      >The state has been able to prove precisely zero crimes in a court of law thus far. Wow, in your country does the entire criminal justice process take place in the course of the same day of the arrest? Interesting. Care to share details?
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      - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
        > in your country does the entire criminal justice process take place in the course of the same day of the arrest? Interesting No, in my country--America--when an officer goes out to arrest someone for crimes, they typically need a warrant. I am unaware of a single one of these recent ICE arrests having even met that threshold. Like, we've got plainsclothes officers wearing masks conducting illegal arrests and then a separate cadre of Stadtpolizei moving said warantlessly detained across state and national borders in a blatant attempt to outrun court orders. Each of these people is wilfully and knowingly breaking serious laws. They won't be punished under this administration. But we need to absolutely make an example out of them in the future.
  - analog31 2y ago
    The presumption that the person being arrested is suspected of a crime is being called into question.
nedamd 2y ago
Being scientist is ideally a quest for finding truth or at least try that. We are in an era where the truth is considered very political and there are very clear indications that in the US funding science and scientists in general is not welcomed anymore. Calls for dismantling NSF/NIH is not hiding or their proponents are shy from expressing what they are trying to pursue. The idea that politics and science as a practice is separated is a myth.
- ryandrake 2y ago
  Also, griefing scientists, academics and the "educated elite" has been a priority to Republicans for at least a decade. They specifically run on platforms of "sticking it to those snobby experts," and their electorate eat it up. We've seen a huge anti-intellectual and anti-expertise cultural shift in the last 10 years.
fatbird 2y ago
Is properly carried-out science in the area of climate change "benign" to the Trump administration?

atoav 2y ago

Scientists are people who for a living often need to cross international borders. The current administration has shown no respect for the Rule of Law and the borders are the place where you will be affected in the worst way if someone gets provoked by something. Lawful or not, you may not be on US soil yet when it happens.

roxolotl 2y ago

There is no such thing as benign scientific work. Questioning the nature of reality at its core is a radical act. As we’re seeing with tons of biology research there are right and wrong questions. It is only time till that spreads.

rsoto2 2y ago

No, the title is implying when professors are being targeted that's when fascism is here; because that's sort of historically what has happened(and it has been historically based on political beliefs, race, or physical appearance) CS Professor arrested today https://www.reddit.com/r/immigration/comments/1jmrtzz/indiana_university_cs_professor_has_been_arrested/ https://www.reddit.com/r/immigration/comments/1jmrtzz/indian...

drstewart 2y ago
>CS Professor arrested today So? Does being a professor give you some kind of immunity against crimes?
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > Does being a professor give you some kind of immunity against crimes? The state has been able to prove precisely zero crimes in a court of law thus far. By Rubio’s admission, they may be arresting without warrants. The criminals are the ones covering their faces while pretending to act under the colour of law.
  - nocoolnametom 2y ago
    And it'll be pretty easy to keep track of how many crimes they _do_ discover, because the first one will be trumpeted loudly everywhere, and then after that they'll use the entire list of people as though it's a partial example: "How do we know that this individual is not associated with <crimes>, as we've already seen with _countless_ examples, like <the unspoken entirety of the list of examples>?"
  - drstewart 2y ago
    >The state has been able to prove precisely zero crimes in a court of law thus far. Wow, in your country does the entire criminal justice process take place in the course of the same day of the arrest? Interesting. Care to share details?
    - deleted 2y ago
      [deleted]
    - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
      > in your country does the entire criminal justice process take place in the course of the same day of the arrest? Interesting No, in my country--America--when an officer goes out to arrest someone for crimes, they typically need a warrant. I am unaware of a single one of these recent ICE arrests having even met that threshold. Like, we've got plainsclothes officers wearing masks conducting illegal arrests and then a separate cadre of Stadtpolizei moving said warantlessly detained across state and national borders in a blatant attempt to outrun court orders. Each of these people is wilfully and knowingly breaking serious laws. They won't be punished under this administration. But we need to absolutely make an example out of them in the future.
- analog31 2y ago
  The presumption that the person being arrested is suspected of a crime is being called into question.

nedamd 2y ago

Being scientist is ideally a quest for finding truth or at least try that. We are in an era where the truth is considered very political and there are very clear indications that in the US funding science and scientists in general is not welcomed anymore. Calls for dismantling NSF/NIH is not hiding or their proponents are shy from expressing what they are trying to pursue. The idea that politics and science as a practice is separated is a myth.

ryandrake 2y ago
Also, griefing scientists, academics and the "educated elite" has been a priority to Republicans for at least a decade. They specifically run on platforms of "sticking it to those snobby experts," and their electorate eat it up. We've seen a huge anti-intellectual and anti-expertise cultural shift in the last 10 years.

fatbird 2y ago

Is properly carried-out science in the area of climate change "benign" to the Trump administration?