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Heh, it sure would be nice if they made a computer that was explicitly for getting work done (hell, they could call it a "workstation"). I miss the days when bi

Heh, it sure would be nice if they made a computer that was explicitly for getting work done (hell, they could call it a "workstation"). I miss the days when big tech still saw a market for this ...

robocat 2y ago
I also wish Microsoft would treat developers as a seperate customer segment to market to. When the people using your tools hate the tools, that isn't a good sign.
- mulmen 2y ago
  Between GitHub, VS Code, and TypeScript it is hard to make the case Microsoft doesn’t focus on developers as a segment.
  - antifa 2y ago
    I wouldn't use any of those if it required windows.
- droopyEyelids 2y ago
  It’s not a good sign if they have the choice to use different tools. But if microsoft can make sure they don’t have a choice it’s a neutral sign!
- josephg 2y ago
  What are you referring to? Microsoft’s developer tools are top notch. I’d pick visual studio over Xcode any day of the week - Xcode is so crazy buggy that I don’t know how anyone at Apple gets work done on it. And VSCode is probably the most popular ide on the planet.
- kbolino 2y ago
  I'm sure they could do more, but ... They own GitHub, they make Visual Studio Code, they made C#/.NET open-source and cross-platform, they added Linux support to Windows (twice), and they created WinGet, just off the top of my head.
  - deleted 2y ago
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- mtlmtlmtlmtl 2y ago
  Developers developers developers developers
- int_19h 2y ago
  Stuff like this? https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/dev-drive/ https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/dev-drive/
josephg 2y ago
They do - that’s the point of the Mac Pro. The problem is software. Lots of expensive pcie ports won’t help much when you can’t put a GPU in any of them to use cuda and such. There’s also so much inefficient, bloated crap that ships with modern macOS that I would never pick it for a proper workstation these days. I have CPU meters in the system tray, and there’s always some stupid process gobbling up all my spare cycles. The other day it was some automatic iPhone backup process. (Why was that using so much cpu, Apple?). Sometimes it’s indexing my hard drive, or looking for faces in photos, or who knows what stupid thing. It’s always something, and its almost always first party software. In comparison, the cores on my Linux workstation are whisper quiet, and usually idle at 0%. The computer waits for me to give it work.
- astrange 2y ago
  There is no reason to care about this. There's two or three different mechanisms that stop background processes from having any effect on actual work you're doing. (Namely background QoS, it only runs on the efficiency cores, and more expensive activities stop when the user is active.) If you're having an actual specific problem report it with Feedback Assistant. If you aren't, I recommend removing all that useless monitoring stuff and getting an outdoor hobby. As an actual performance engineer I've basically never in my life gotten a useful report from someone looking at those every day. Although other vibes based bugs like "I feel like my battery life is bad lately" often do find something.
  - gopher_space 2y ago
    If you were able to keep your housekeeping out of my way I wouldn’t have been looking at metrics in the first place. The “bug” here is system activity I’m not deliberately invoking.
    - astrange 2y ago
      "System activity" isn't a valuable user metric because not all CPU %s are equal and CPU % isn't a consumable resource. Fans, battery life, case temperature, some others are. System activity can certainly cause problems like paging out all the file cache pages you wanted to use when you get back to the machine. It doesn't have to though.

Heh, it sure would be nice if they made a computer that was explicitly for getting work done (hell, they could call it a "workstation"). I miss the days when big tech still saw a market for this ...

robocat 2y ago

I also wish Microsoft would treat developers as a seperate customer segment to market to. When the people using your tools hate the tools, that isn't a good sign.

mulmen 2y ago
Between GitHub, VS Code, and TypeScript it is hard to make the case Microsoft doesn’t focus on developers as a segment.
- antifa 2y ago
  I wouldn't use any of those if it required windows.
droopyEyelids 2y ago
It’s not a good sign if they have the choice to use different tools. But if microsoft can make sure they don’t have a choice it’s a neutral sign!
josephg 2y ago
What are you referring to? Microsoft’s developer tools are top notch. I’d pick visual studio over Xcode any day of the week - Xcode is so crazy buggy that I don’t know how anyone at Apple gets work done on it. And VSCode is probably the most popular ide on the planet.
kbolino 2y ago
I'm sure they could do more, but ... They own GitHub, they make Visual Studio Code, they made C#/.NET open-source and cross-platform, they added Linux support to Windows (twice), and they created WinGet, just off the top of my head.
- deleted 2y ago
  [deleted]
mtlmtlmtlmtl 2y ago
Developers developers developers developers
int_19h 2y ago
Stuff like this? https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/dev-drive/ https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/dev-drive/

josephg 2y ago

They do - that’s the point of the Mac Pro. The problem is software. Lots of expensive pcie ports won’t help much when you can’t put a GPU in any of them to use cuda and such. There’s also so much inefficient, bloated crap that ships with modern macOS that I would never pick it for a proper workstation these days. I have CPU meters in the system tray, and there’s always some stupid process gobbling up all my spare cycles. The other day it was some automatic iPhone backup process. (Why was that using so much cpu, Apple?). Sometimes it’s indexing my hard drive, or looking for faces in photos, or who knows what stupid thing. It’s always something, and its almost always first party software. In comparison, the cores on my Linux workstation are whisper quiet, and usually idle at 0%. The computer waits for me to give it work.

astrange 2y ago
There is no reason to care about this. There's two or three different mechanisms that stop background processes from having any effect on actual work you're doing. (Namely background QoS, it only runs on the efficiency cores, and more expensive activities stop when the user is active.) If you're having an actual specific problem report it with Feedback Assistant. If you aren't, I recommend removing all that useless monitoring stuff and getting an outdoor hobby. As an actual performance engineer I've basically never in my life gotten a useful report from someone looking at those every day. Although other vibes based bugs like "I feel like my battery life is bad lately" often do find something.
- gopher_space 2y ago
  If you were able to keep your housekeeping out of my way I wouldn’t have been looking at metrics in the first place. The “bug” here is system activity I’m not deliberately invoking.
  - astrange 2y ago
    "System activity" isn't a valuable user metric because not all CPU %s are equal and CPU % isn't a consumable resource. Fans, battery life, case temperature, some others are. System activity can certainly cause problems like paging out all the file cache pages you wanted to use when you get back to the machine. It doesn't have to though.