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The people opposing these things do themselves a serious disservice by conflating someone who attended the funeral of the top guy of a designated terrorist grou

The people opposing these things do themselves a serious disservice by conflating someone who attended the funeral of the top guy of a designated terrorist group with the biologist moving biomaterial between research labs. Now every time I hear one of these stories I’m just waiting for the other shoe to drop and hear about how the frog biologist attended Prigozhin’s funeral (purely out of recognition for his work as a chef, of course)

jimbob45 2y ago
Would these people feel the same if he’d attended Hitler’s funeral rather than a Hamas funeral?
- freen 2y ago
  True advocate for freedom of speech here.
- tialaramex 2y ago
  "In accordance with Hitler's wishes, their corpses were carried outside to the garden behind the Reich Chancellery, where they were placed in a bomb crater, doused with petrol, and set on fire" I would describe attending this "funeral" as merely "arriving too late". Hitler was dead, Germany was in ruins. I'd have more questions about somebody who travelled for the funeral of Levrentiy Beria, because it appears some people (unaware, or deliberately without thinking about what Hitler had ordered done) liked Hitler, I can't find any records of people who liked Beria, they only feared him.
whatshisface 2y ago
There are in reality only two types of actions, those that are illegal, and those that you think you have every right to do.
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- renewiltord 2y ago
  Fair enough, the government has every right to deport the frog biologist. It’s not illegal for them to do so. Regardless, I think they should not have.
  - selimthegrim 2y ago
    I must’ve missed all the people we deported for attending IRA funerals.
    - renewiltord 2y ago
      Personally, I prefer that we are not consistent with three decades past. Gay marriage wasn’t recognized back then and so on. So I’m not surprised we’re inconsistent with that time. Over the period of one or two admins I prefer some degree of consistency but over three decades? Not so much. If we had back then it wouldn’t have struck me as crazy if we’d considered the IRA a terrorist group. That we didn’t do this doesn’t mean we’re locked out of it forever.
rsoto2 2y ago
Right, because the entire US/Israeli/NATO apparatus isn't responsible for terrorizing and murdering tens of _thousands_ of children in Palestine. No, that is a just execution of children, surely, at least that's what a dutiful netizen believes.
- renewiltord 2y ago
  I think it would be unsurprising to me if Palestine deported an American who attended an Israeli general’s funeral. I’d say “hmm, yeah, makes sense”.
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  - School-Cotton 2y ago
    The Palestinian Authority doesn’t control who is allowed to enter and live there; Israel does. So “Palestine” has no way to deport anyone.
    - khazhoux 2y ago
      Then replace "Palestine" with the name of any nearby nation.
- tdeck 2y ago
  We've got US Senator John Fetterman making a trip to Israel to get a silver plated pager from Netanyahu and publicly joke about a terrorist attack that killed children. The US is surreal sometimes.
timewizard 2y ago
> who attended the funeral of the top guy of a designated terrorist group Designated by whom? I personally have never once felt "terror" from the existence of Hamas nor do I feel confronted by those who would go to the funerals of it's leaders.
- tqi 2y ago
  By the government of this country and many others.
  - timewizard 2y ago
    It was by the US State Department in 1997. Those are either some seriously tricky terrorists or this designation was never meaningful to the citizens of this country.
- 141205 2y ago
  Wonderful, now we're at a point where Hacker News has people defending a fundamentalist antisemitic hate group that's quite literally performed suicide bombings and launched rockets at civilians. Maybe you haven't felt terror from them because you aren't one of the innocent Jewish civilians who have been deliberately targeted. Can you go back to reddit where your similarly deranged opinions are tolerated, and stay off of what is meant to be a relatively sane forum?
  - tqi 2y ago
    Who said Ted Bundy was a serial killer? Never murdered me, so...
tdeck 2y ago
Ah, the old trope of pretending to give a movement advice so they don't "do a disservice" to their cause, advice which just happens to be about throwing marginalized people under the bus yet again. It's as transparent as it is craven. In the 1960s 50% of white people polled said that MLK was hurting the effort for civil rights. It's because they didn't want to want those civil rights to begin with, in the same way that you're clearly totally cool with the genocide and don't want rights for those who opposed it.

jimbob45 2y ago

Would these people feel the same if he’d attended Hitler’s funeral rather than a Hamas funeral?

freen 2y ago
True advocate for freedom of speech here.
tialaramex 2y ago
"In accordance with Hitler's wishes, their corpses were carried outside to the garden behind the Reich Chancellery, where they were placed in a bomb crater, doused with petrol, and set on fire" I would describe attending this "funeral" as merely "arriving too late". Hitler was dead, Germany was in ruins. I'd have more questions about somebody who travelled for the funeral of Levrentiy Beria, because it appears some people (unaware, or deliberately without thinking about what Hitler had ordered done) liked Hitler, I can't find any records of people who liked Beria, they only feared him.

whatshisface 2y ago

There are in reality only two types of actions, those that are illegal, and those that you think you have every right to do.

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renewiltord 2y ago
Fair enough, the government has every right to deport the frog biologist. It’s not illegal for them to do so. Regardless, I think they should not have.
- selimthegrim 2y ago
  I must’ve missed all the people we deported for attending IRA funerals.
  - renewiltord 2y ago
    Personally, I prefer that we are not consistent with three decades past. Gay marriage wasn’t recognized back then and so on. So I’m not surprised we’re inconsistent with that time. Over the period of one or two admins I prefer some degree of consistency but over three decades? Not so much. If we had back then it wouldn’t have struck me as crazy if we’d considered the IRA a terrorist group. That we didn’t do this doesn’t mean we’re locked out of it forever.

rsoto2 2y ago

Right, because the entire US/Israeli/NATO apparatus isn't responsible for terrorizing and murdering tens of _thousands_ of children in Palestine. No, that is a just execution of children, surely, at least that's what a dutiful netizen believes.

renewiltord 2y ago
I think it would be unsurprising to me if Palestine deported an American who attended an Israeli general’s funeral. I’d say “hmm, yeah, makes sense”.
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- School-Cotton 2y ago
  The Palestinian Authority doesn’t control who is allowed to enter and live there; Israel does. So “Palestine” has no way to deport anyone.
  - khazhoux 2y ago
    Then replace "Palestine" with the name of any nearby nation.
tdeck 2y ago
We've got US Senator John Fetterman making a trip to Israel to get a silver plated pager from Netanyahu and publicly joke about a terrorist attack that killed children. The US is surreal sometimes.

timewizard 2y ago

> who attended the funeral of the top guy of a designated terrorist group Designated by whom? I personally have never once felt "terror" from the existence of Hamas nor do I feel confronted by those who would go to the funerals of it's leaders.

tqi 2y ago
By the government of this country and many others.
- timewizard 2y ago
  It was by the US State Department in 1997. Those are either some seriously tricky terrorists or this designation was never meaningful to the citizens of this country.
141205 2y ago
Wonderful, now we're at a point where Hacker News has people defending a fundamentalist antisemitic hate group that's quite literally performed suicide bombings and launched rockets at civilians. Maybe you haven't felt terror from them because you aren't one of the innocent Jewish civilians who have been deliberately targeted. Can you go back to reddit where your similarly deranged opinions are tolerated, and stay off of what is meant to be a relatively sane forum?
- tqi 2y ago
  Who said Ted Bundy was a serial killer? Never murdered me, so...

tdeck 2y ago

Ah, the old trope of pretending to give a movement advice so they don't "do a disservice" to their cause, advice which just happens to be about throwing marginalized people under the bus yet again. It's as transparent as it is craven. In the 1960s 50% of white people polled said that MLK was hurting the effort for civil rights. It's because they didn't want to want those civil rights to begin with, in the same way that you're clearly totally cool with the genocide and don't want rights for those who opposed it.