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Smart (evil) way to hustle people off Windows 10.

by outer_web 2y ago

rolph 2y ago
-an into copilot, an a tighter localmachine lockdown. and subscription apps
Calavar 2y ago
I'm so glad my motherboard doesn’t support Windows 11. That's the one 'secret hack' that seems to work.
- rikafurude21 2y ago
  Pretty sure the TPM requirement was just an excuse to sell new PCs. They ended up allowing older platforms for 11
  - kencausey 2y ago
    Evidence? I have a laptop I purchased refurbished and upgraded to Win11 almost immediately. It cannot be updated to 24H2, apparently because the TPM does not support the required version for that Win11 version.
  - _cenw 2y ago
    I'm sure it's an honest attempt to move the baseline for security up and shake off the "Windows is insecure by default" perception they've been fighting since introducing UAC. Though it is definitely not required, IoT LTSC does not have these requirements.
    - speed_spread 2y ago
      Pfff. It's a push to hardware they can lock down and claim full control over so they can sell the Windows platform as secure to content providers (games, etc.) The same way Android banking apps refuse to run on rooted phones, you'll soon be unable to run a lot of apps if you don't have a TPM. Then it'll be some websites that can't be accessed...
      - _cenw 2y ago
        This fearmongering about Microsoft has existed since the very day the first TPM shipped, and it has never come closer to being real. Most of the security improvements shipping in Windows are leftovers from Xbox, but they very clearly state that Windows Security does not treat the user themselves as a threat. See the slide around 4 minutes into this talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7VwtOrwceo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7VwtOrwceo
- Ygg2 2y ago
  You can turn off TPM on any motherboard.
- cantrecallmypwd 2y ago
  Windows continual slowdown and incompatibility is intentional to sell new hardware. This has happened since the 90's.
- nobodyandproud 2y ago
  I have notebook that supports everything (TPM 2.0). The only excuse is that the CPU is allegedly a generation too old, which only makes sense for servers. That 100% pushed me to wipe Windows from all of my computers, except for my company-issued notebook. I haven’t noticed a difference (if anything, everything is faster).

Smart (evil) way to hustle people off Windows 10.

rolph 2y ago

-an into copilot, an a tighter localmachine lockdown. and subscription apps

Calavar 2y ago

I'm so glad my motherboard doesn’t support Windows 11. That's the one 'secret hack' that seems to work.

rikafurude21 2y ago
Pretty sure the TPM requirement was just an excuse to sell new PCs. They ended up allowing older platforms for 11
- kencausey 2y ago
  Evidence? I have a laptop I purchased refurbished and upgraded to Win11 almost immediately. It cannot be updated to 24H2, apparently because the TPM does not support the required version for that Win11 version.
- _cenw 2y ago
  I'm sure it's an honest attempt to move the baseline for security up and shake off the "Windows is insecure by default" perception they've been fighting since introducing UAC. Though it is definitely not required, IoT LTSC does not have these requirements.
  - speed_spread 2y ago
    Pfff. It's a push to hardware they can lock down and claim full control over so they can sell the Windows platform as secure to content providers (games, etc.) The same way Android banking apps refuse to run on rooted phones, you'll soon be unable to run a lot of apps if you don't have a TPM. Then it'll be some websites that can't be accessed...
    - _cenw 2y ago
      This fearmongering about Microsoft has existed since the very day the first TPM shipped, and it has never come closer to being real. Most of the security improvements shipping in Windows are leftovers from Xbox, but they very clearly state that Windows Security does not treat the user themselves as a threat. See the slide around 4 minutes into this talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7VwtOrwceo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7VwtOrwceo
Ygg2 2y ago
You can turn off TPM on any motherboard.
cantrecallmypwd 2y ago
Windows continual slowdown and incompatibility is intentional to sell new hardware. This has happened since the 90's.
nobodyandproud 2y ago
I have notebook that supports everything (TPM 2.0). The only excuse is that the CPU is allegedly a generation too old, which only makes sense for servers. That 100% pushed me to wipe Windows from all of my computers, except for my company-issued notebook. I haven’t noticed a difference (if anything, everything is faster).