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Solar roof installs are continuing to grow. Slower than they hoped, but growing. The semi factory will be finished late this year. FSD gets better each month.
by testing22321 2y ago
Solar roof installs are continuing to grow. Slower than they hoped, but growing.
The semi factory will be finished late this year.
FSD gets better each month. Obviously there is massive debate if it will be “done” in 1, 2, 5, 10 or never years
Robotaxis were announced recently, the plan as announced is for them to be sold in 2026. That has not changed.
Looks like they’ll have some kind of driverless taxi service running this year with remote operators like Waymo.
Private moon mission was canned.
I think it’s pretty strange to say Musks promises never get delivered on when Tesla sells the most popular car on the planet two years running, spacex launches more to orbit than the rest of the world combined and a ton of other stuff.
Obviously he’s utterly nuts, and doesn’t deliver everything he talks about, and is very late on many things. But you have to be blind to say he never delivers anything.
- jandrese 2y agoMy understanding is that the solar roofs are basically dead. They're more of a vanity project than a real product. The total production of the tiles is enough to cover like 10-20 houses a week and the full system price is around 5 times what a regular solar install costs, even when you factor in replacing the entire roof before doing the solar install.
- WalterBright 2y ago> Obviously he’s utterly nuts He takes risks very few others are willing to do, but he is not nuts by any reasonable definition.
- LightBug1 2y agoYou're right. Not nuts. Utterly nuts. By any reasonable definition.
- WalterBright 2y agoExplain.
- LightBug1 2y agoNo. It's blindingly obvious. You can be utterly incredible at delegation. You can be incredibly productive. You can also be utterly nuts. The utterly nuts part is self-evident to people who aren't temporarily impoverished billionaires and don't want to kiss his ass and be him. In my experience, that tends to include people who need it "explained". No disrespect.
- WalterBright 2y agoRe-asserting that he's nuts is not an explanation. > No disrespect. But you disrespected me anyway :-)
- LightBug1 2y agoYou're welcome. Have a lovely Sunday.
- brookst 2y agoHow many children with how many women? How many disowned? False accusations of pedophilia against people he doesn’t know? Free speech absolutist who gleefully bans speech? Corporate acquirer who accidentally fires key people, and then makes the exact same mistake as a coup leader? He is batshit. He is also smart and has accomplished some impressive things. The two are not incompatible.
- WalterBright 2y ago> How many children with how many women? How many disowned? That's common human behavior. > False accusations of pedophilia against people he doesn’t know? Against a single person who had just called him "insane" on TV. Not nuts at all. > Free speech absolutist who gleefully bans speech? Not all speech is free speech - you cannot advocate for hits on people, for example. Besides, it's perfectly legal to censor speech on his platform. Not nuts at all. Musk has made no attempt to suppress speech on Bluesky, Facebook, Reddit, Tiktok, etc. > Corporate acquirer who accidentally fires key people That's not how it worked. Twitter was losing money at an astonishing rate, and he had to cut expenses immediately. It is the fastest way to determine who was actually needed and who wasn't. Then hire back the ones who were actually needed. > makes the exact same mistake as a coup leader? It's the only way to do it when time is critical. It's also the only way when the agencies are doing everything possible to not cooperate with DOGE. There's been no coup. Trump was lawfully elected.
- bumby 2y agoI’d argue he offsets his risks (but not profits) to the taxpayer. His high-risk bets have largely been buoyed by government contracts, subsidies, and borderline crony-capitalism. In many respects, that’s not always bad for the taxpayer when he delivers, but it’s not the same as being a free-market risk taker.
- WalterBright 2y agoI recommend reading a biography of him. He did not offset risks to the taxpayer. SpaceX, for example, got contracts from NASA. He delivered on those contracts. If he hadn't, he would have gone bust, not the taxpayer. At one point with Tesla he was within hours of business and personal bankruptcy, before making a deal with an investor. The investor wasn't the government. The taxpayer never assumed a risk there. > but not profits) to the taxpayer He pays taxes on profits like anyone else.
- bumby 2y agoYou may want to familiarize yourself with counter examples from Musk biographers, like Seth Abramson. Musk said himself SpaceX would’ve gone bankrupt without NASA contracts. He needed those contracts because Spacex was too high of a risk at the time for private business. NASA is self-insured. This is the the way the government supports high-risk nascent industries, because they are the only institution capable of shouldering that risk. It’s well-established that the solvency of his companies are tightly coupled, just like TFA. Further, Tesla is made competitive by subsidies for EVs and manufacturing. Not necessarily bad, but the success isn’t occurring in a free-market vacuum. When companies accepting subsidies go under, the govt doesn’t typically get that money back, at least not in full. (See the faux Solyndra “scandal”) I know that doesn’t fit the preferred narrative of the mythical free-market iconoclast succeeding in spite of the govt, but that’s reality. On the profit side, I should have said he gets a disproportionate amount of profit and the taxpayer gets a disproportionate amount of risk.
- WalterBright 2y ago> Musk said himself SpaceX would’ve gone bankrupt without NASA contracts. And he wasn't paid until he delivered, like any contract with a business. The taxpayers were never at risk. It was not a subsidy. Yes, Tesla benefited from EV subsidies, like all the electric car makers. He'd be stupid not to take the subsidy. > You may want to familiarize yourself with counter examples from Musk biographers, like Seth Abramson. I read "Elon Musk" by Ashlee Vance.
- VectorLock 2y agoYou're good at this. Tell me how the Nazi salute, twice, on a national stage, wasn't nuts.
- WalterBright 2y agoNobody hates Musk because he's a nazi. He is called a nazi because they hate him.
- VectorLock 2y agoI hate him because he's a Nazi, because of the Nazi salute.
- WalterBright 2y agoI'll let you defend that.
- VectorLock 2y agoWhich part? That I hate Nazis or that when he did a Nazi salute, twice, that categories him as a Nazi? Since you seem to champion him a lot, I'd really like to hear your take on his Nazi salute.
- lenkite 2y agoIf that is a Nazi salute, then a lot of democrat party politicans are also Nazis, lol.
- nickpp 2y agoHe is supporting and promoting extreme-right parties all over Europe though. Like AfD in Germany, widely considered a nazi party. He’s also never criticized (while busy criticizing European democracies) Russia or Putin, which are obviously nazi at this point.
- therouwboat 2y agoWe were supposed to have full self driving, sleep while it drives you car by 2019, not "the most popular car".
- ehfeng 2y agoHe addressed this. Elon "doesn’t deliver everything he talks about". His point is that Elon may promise more than he delivers, but he has still delivered on quite a lot.
- brandonagr2 2y agoNo, a self driving car can be either supervised or unsupervised. I'm required to supervise my car while it drives me to work, but it is by definition fully self driving, controlling all aspects of the vehicle while I sit with hands off the wheel watching
- dns_snek 2y agoLet's not move the goalposts. He promised unsupervised FSD for 2019 and he promised level 5 autonomy for 2020, they're still at level 2 autonomy. Per https://motherfrunker.ca/fsd/ https://motherfrunker.ca/fsd/ [2017] The sensor hardware and compute power required for at least level 4 to level 5 autonomy has been in every Tesla produced since October of last year. [2017] I think that [you will be able to fall asleep in a Tesla] is about two years [2018] Probably technically be able to [self deliver Teslas to customers doors] in about a year then its up to the regulators [2019] We expect to be feature complete in self driving this year, and we expect to be confident enough from our standpoint to say that we think people do not need to touch the wheel and can look out the window sometime probably around the second quarter of next year. [2020] Robotaxis release/deployment... Functionality still looking good for this year. Regulatory approval is the big unknown [2020] I am extremely confident that level five or essentially complete autonomy will happen, and I think, will happen very quickly, I think at Tesla, I feel like we are very close to level five autonomy. I think—I remain confident that we will have the basic functionality for level five autonomy complete this year, There are no fundamental challenges remaining. [2020] I'm extremely confident that Tesla will have level five next year, extremely confident, 100% [2021] FSD will be capable of Level 5 autonomy by the end of 2021
- Reason077 2y ago> "Private moon mission was canned" The project was unilaterally cancelled by the client, Yusaku Maezawa, in May 2024. Starship development had fallen significantly behind the original SpaceX aspirational date for the flight in 2023, and Maezawa's net worth had also halved since venture was announced in 2018. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DearMoon_project https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DearMoon_project