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I think he addresses your question immediately following the comma. He's not saying you must have been, e.g., persecuted or downtrodden to create art, he's talk

I think he addresses your question immediately following the comma. He's not saying you must have been, e.g., persecuted or downtrodden to create art, he's talking about the struggle of creation itself. He's saying art is hard to make, that if you're not overreaching you aren't making art, and he may be saying that what makes ChatGPT's output not art is that it's created automatically, within the scope of its limitations. All ChatGPT poetry made by the same model will be of a similar quality, because it's not ever going to transcend, and that's why it won't ever be art, regardless of quality. Or so he seems to be saying.

oska 2y ago
I'm amazed at all this discussion upon a misinterpretation when, exactly as you say, he clarified what he meant by struggle in the same sentence and it is not life struggle, it is creative struggle (to create music, poetry, etc). (Of course, pretty much everyone experiences hardship in life and some artists have experienced very harsh hardships and drawn upon that in their later art but he is very clearly not saying that that is an essential part of creating art.)
- karaterobot 2y ago
  To be fair, I think he wants to have it both ways. He seems to oscillate between the two ways of struggling, even in that one paragraph. I'm just trying to offer a very generous reading. Nick Cave is a great lyricist, but I've never really been impressed with his other writing; he becomes Romantic and fuzzy like this when it's convenient.
  - oska 2y ago
    Agree with you about him being a great lyricist (I find 'the loom of the land', to give one very brief example, a masterful configuration) but I also have mixed feelings about the man. I find him intellectually pretentious, politically distasteful (to put it mildly) and suspect him to be very lacking in his personal relationships. An exemplary case, for me, of liking the art while not necessarily liking the artist.

oska 2y ago

I'm amazed at all this discussion upon a misinterpretation when, exactly as you say, he clarified what he meant by struggle in the same sentence and it is not life struggle, it is creative struggle (to create music, poetry, etc). (Of course, pretty much everyone experiences hardship in life and some artists have experienced very harsh hardships and drawn upon that in their later art but he is very clearly not saying that that is an essential part of creating art.)

karaterobot 2y ago
To be fair, I think he wants to have it both ways. He seems to oscillate between the two ways of struggling, even in that one paragraph. I'm just trying to offer a very generous reading. Nick Cave is a great lyricist, but I've never really been impressed with his other writing; he becomes Romantic and fuzzy like this when it's convenient.
- oska 2y ago
  Agree with you about him being a great lyricist (I find 'the loom of the land', to give one very brief example, a masterful configuration) but I also have mixed feelings about the man. I find him intellectually pretentious, politically distasteful (to put it mildly) and suspect him to be very lacking in his personal relationships. An exemplary case, for me, of liking the art while not necessarily liking the artist.