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> An imitation of art will never be art. As art is somewhat/sometimes an imitation of life/the world itself, why cannot an imitation of art also be considered
by diggan 2y ago
> An imitation of art will never be art.
As art is somewhat/sometimes an imitation of life/the world itself, why cannot an imitation of art also be considered art? I don't know the right answer (if there is one), but was the question that appeared when I read that.
- JKCalhoun 2y agoI think I kind of get what you mean. As I started learning to draw the human figure I began by copping the styles of Mort Drucker, etc. In time though I had cribbed and combined from so many that the result became I suppose my own style. These LLMs of course learn from every artist they are trained by. But I didn't mean imitating the art "style" but imitating the art itself — to that thing that makes it "art" and not "graphic design" (whoops, whole new can of worms). I think, as Nick kind of said, you can't really imitate that. It has to come from your own failures and disappointments in growing up, in a life lived not mimicked.
- dkjaudyeqooe 2y agoYou're missing the point. Imitation is the artistic act in question. The act of "creation". The question is what does the imitation bring to the viewer's experience of it? "Starry Night" brings a lot. A photocopy of it probably doesn't. What does the imitation create or express?
- dang 2y agoCan you please edit out swipes like "You're missing the point" from your HN comments? They degrade the threads and frequently evoke worse from others. (This is in the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.) Your comment would be just fine without that bit.
- giraffe_lady 2y agoImitation can be expression or communication, which imo are much more useful concepts than "what is art" in this context. The thing here is that an AI has nothing to express, has experienced nothing, as nick cave says. Even an artist being influenced by existing art is itself a creative process based on their own experiences, which AI does not have.