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Another related article, three Yale professors are leaving for Canada: https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/28/us/yale-university-scholars-toronto-trump/index.html https

Another related article, three Yale professors are leaving for Canada: https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/28/us/yale-university-scholars-toronto-trump/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/28/us/yale-university-scholars-t... Brain drain is happening in real time.

dmazin 2y ago
Related: "as part of the Brains for Brussels initiative, VUB aims to actively attract American professors looking to relocate" https://www.brusselstimes.com/1490737/brussels-university-vub-opens-doors-to-censored-american-researchers-tbtb https://www.brusselstimes.com/1490737/brussels-university-vu...
thaumasiotes 2y ago
The three professors: https://history.yale.edu/people/timothy-snyder https://history.yale.edu/people/timothy-snyder https://history.yale.edu/people/marci-shore https://history.yale.edu/people/marci-shore https://philosophy.yale.edu/profile/jason-stanley https://philosophy.yale.edu/profile/jason-stanley
- bigfudge 2y ago
  Surely a brain drain of liberal arts professors is part of the plan though? Will be interesting to see engineers/pharma/mathematicians also leave. US doesn’t look like a nice place to be in the next few years so perhaps they will.
  - 2muchcoffeeman 2y ago
    Those are history professors though. I don't want to disparage other lib arts, but the historians are at least looking at what has happened when countries become fascist states. Could they have recognised all the warning signs?
    - perihelions 2y ago
      Snyder was regularly posted on HN on his subject matter. HN used to consider him someone worth reading. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10210327 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10210327 ("Understanding Hitler’s Anti-Semitism (theatlantic.com)" (2015), 59 comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41583725 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41583725 ("Timothy Snyder on How the Collapse of the Soviet Union Took America by Surprise (lithub.com)" (2024), 87 comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33104723 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33104723 ("How does the Russo-Ukrainian War end? (snyder.substack.com)" (2022), 88 comments) https://hn.algolia.com/?q=timothy%20snyder https://hn.algolia.com/?q=timothy%20snyder And a few more here (Algolia search censors things that were flagged), https://news.ycombinator.com/from?site=snyder.substack.com https://news.ycombinator.com/from?site=snyder.substack.com
  - hjgjhyuhy 2y ago
    Yep, it’s an interesting social experiment. USA is becoming like Russia, with fake democracy and robber baron oligarchy that does whatever it wants. Many people are going to be OK with it, as long as they think it benefits them personally. But I’m not sure many in academia will be among those. I bet China, India and EU will soon overtake America in sciences. Made in America may yet become the new made in Bangladesh.
bhouston 2y ago
If Trump and his intellectual descendants stay in power, it is very likely they take Canada eventually, probably starting with Alberta. Fun fact, the leader of Alberta is hanging around Trump and others in his orbit a ton and having a generally great time. That isn't a coincidence: https://www.ctvnews.ca/edmonton/article/danielle-smith-has-great-time-with-ben-shapiro-at-controversial-far-right-fundraiser/ https://www.ctvnews.ca/edmonton/article/danielle-smith-has-g...
- 2muchcoffeeman 2y ago
  Are you following events and making highly speculative judgements or can you see evidence this is the direction Trump is headed? Its just crazy. Are they seriously going to bully current allies and start wars with them?
  - bhouston 2y ago
    > Are you following events and making highly speculative judgements or can you see evidence this is the direction Trump is headed? Here is a recent New York Times major article titled: "How Trump’s ‘51st State’ Canada Talk Came to Be Seen as Deadly Serious" https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/07/world/canada/trump-trudeau-canada-51st-state.html https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/07/world/canada/trump-trudea... Here is NBC News headline: "Trump's quest to conquer Canada is confusing everyone: President Donald Trump increasingly links a trade war to his push to annex America's northern neighbor." https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-quest-conquer-canada-confusing-everyone-rcna195657 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-quest-co... The underlying issue is that it makes sense from a long-term economic standpoint if you ignore everything else. Canada has tons of resources and even more land which will get more valuable as the world warms. Argicultural regions may shift northward if there is significant warming and that could hurt the US and benefit Canada. So strategically there is logic. The main complicating factor is that Trump can be quite erratic in his views, so it may just shift off of his plate and he focuses on something else if we are lucky.
- CalRobert 2y ago
  Come to Europe and join your local army reserve! Hard for non citizens though.
pandemic_region 2y ago
Next up: Trump signing an executive order forbidding top level academics to leave US soil ? Or maybe Russian style: we'll see an increase of mysterious accidents and suicides amongst high profile dissidents?

dmazin 2y ago

Related: "as part of the Brains for Brussels initiative, VUB aims to actively attract American professors looking to relocate" https://www.brusselstimes.com/1490737/brussels-university-vub-opens-doors-to-censored-american-researchers-tbtb https://www.brusselstimes.com/1490737/brussels-university-vu...

thaumasiotes 2y ago

The three professors: https://history.yale.edu/people/timothy-snyder https://history.yale.edu/people/timothy-snyder https://history.yale.edu/people/marci-shore https://history.yale.edu/people/marci-shore https://philosophy.yale.edu/profile/jason-stanley https://philosophy.yale.edu/profile/jason-stanley

bigfudge 2y ago
Surely a brain drain of liberal arts professors is part of the plan though? Will be interesting to see engineers/pharma/mathematicians also leave. US doesn’t look like a nice place to be in the next few years so perhaps they will.
- 2muchcoffeeman 2y ago
  Those are history professors though. I don't want to disparage other lib arts, but the historians are at least looking at what has happened when countries become fascist states. Could they have recognised all the warning signs?
  - perihelions 2y ago
    Snyder was regularly posted on HN on his subject matter. HN used to consider him someone worth reading. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10210327 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10210327 ("Understanding Hitler’s Anti-Semitism (theatlantic.com)" (2015), 59 comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41583725 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41583725 ("Timothy Snyder on How the Collapse of the Soviet Union Took America by Surprise (lithub.com)" (2024), 87 comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33104723 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33104723 ("How does the Russo-Ukrainian War end? (snyder.substack.com)" (2022), 88 comments) https://hn.algolia.com/?q=timothy%20snyder https://hn.algolia.com/?q=timothy%20snyder And a few more here (Algolia search censors things that were flagged), https://news.ycombinator.com/from?site=snyder.substack.com https://news.ycombinator.com/from?site=snyder.substack.com
- hjgjhyuhy 2y ago
  Yep, it’s an interesting social experiment. USA is becoming like Russia, with fake democracy and robber baron oligarchy that does whatever it wants. Many people are going to be OK with it, as long as they think it benefits them personally. But I’m not sure many in academia will be among those. I bet China, India and EU will soon overtake America in sciences. Made in America may yet become the new made in Bangladesh.

bhouston 2y ago

If Trump and his intellectual descendants stay in power, it is very likely they take Canada eventually, probably starting with Alberta. Fun fact, the leader of Alberta is hanging around Trump and others in his orbit a ton and having a generally great time. That isn't a coincidence: https://www.ctvnews.ca/edmonton/article/danielle-smith-has-great-time-with-ben-shapiro-at-controversial-far-right-fundraiser/ https://www.ctvnews.ca/edmonton/article/danielle-smith-has-g...

2muchcoffeeman 2y ago
Are you following events and making highly speculative judgements or can you see evidence this is the direction Trump is headed? Its just crazy. Are they seriously going to bully current allies and start wars with them?
- bhouston 2y ago
  > Are you following events and making highly speculative judgements or can you see evidence this is the direction Trump is headed? Here is a recent New York Times major article titled: "How Trump’s ‘51st State’ Canada Talk Came to Be Seen as Deadly Serious" https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/07/world/canada/trump-trudeau-canada-51st-state.html https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/07/world/canada/trump-trudea... Here is NBC News headline: "Trump's quest to conquer Canada is confusing everyone: President Donald Trump increasingly links a trade war to his push to annex America's northern neighbor." https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-quest-conquer-canada-confusing-everyone-rcna195657 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-quest-co... The underlying issue is that it makes sense from a long-term economic standpoint if you ignore everything else. Canada has tons of resources and even more land which will get more valuable as the world warms. Argicultural regions may shift northward if there is significant warming and that could hurt the US and benefit Canada. So strategically there is logic. The main complicating factor is that Trump can be quite erratic in his views, so it may just shift off of his plate and he focuses on something else if we are lucky.
CalRobert 2y ago
Come to Europe and join your local army reserve! Hard for non citizens though.

pandemic_region 2y ago

Next up: Trump signing an executive order forbidding top level academics to leave US soil ? Or maybe Russian style: we'll see an increase of mysterious accidents and suicides amongst high profile dissidents?