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Would you argue that we needn't concern ourselves with polution so long as we eat healthier diets? Its obvious that the health benefits are not only additive th

Would you argue that we needn't concern ourselves with polution so long as we eat healthier diets? Its obvious that the health benefits are not only additive they are multiplicative. There is no amount of general health that is a replacement for not getting deadly diseases. We should acheive the best results by vaccination and other measures and should we deprive ourselves of this option we should not advance any of the other aspect of public health. Let me reiterate this statement >will build such a strong immune system that we need much less medicines and vaccines. Is absolutely nonsense. There is no substitute for not getting deadly health destroying diseases. General public health is a slog that if it improves it will do so over many years and it will do so faster if people get fewer deadly diseases.

gitaarik 2y ago
But it is clear that most of the victims of the pandemic where people with a lowered immune system. If our immune systems are generally stronger, it could be that pandemics disappear, because the pathogen can't spread fast enough. Then we can still of course have certain medicines for people with lowered immune system. And regarding pollution, I think we should get rid of it, but also adjust for it as long as it's there, by supplementing our bodies with the nutrients lacking in our diet because of the current pollution.
- ethbr1 2y ago
  > If our immune systems are generally stronger, it could be that pandemics disappear, because the pathogen can't spread fast enough. That's not how viral genetic evolution or our immune systems work. R0 isn't typically effected by the strength of a population's immune systems, but the severity of symptoms is. That's because the most infectious time is during initial viral replication and shedding, before your immune system has scaled its response (which takes time) enough to decrease viral load. If everyone in the world had super immune systems, COVID would have still been a pandemic, but we would have had fewer deaths.
  - gitaarik 2y ago
    Ok, so then it's a pandemic but not a problem. So that's good too right?
    - ethbr1 2y ago
      Roll dice for mutation, for every person infected.
- michaelmrose 2y ago
  There has never been a time in history without epidemics. Its better now than historically because of vaccination. If we take it away countless people will die and others be damaged. The problem is that you have formed strong opinions about this topic whilst knowing almost nothing about it. We can't eliminate all disease by living healthier lives and we can't even make the people we have as healthy as they might be. In the actual world and in a fictional best of all possible worlds vaccination makes us healthier.
  - gitaarik 2y ago
    Or vaccination makes us weaker. Because our own immune system gets trained in an unnatural way. How is it that various native tribes weren't affected by the virus? Difference in immune system obviously. So better immune systems definately helps lower diseases and prevent pandemics.

gitaarik 2y ago

But it is clear that most of the victims of the pandemic where people with a lowered immune system. If our immune systems are generally stronger, it could be that pandemics disappear, because the pathogen can't spread fast enough. Then we can still of course have certain medicines for people with lowered immune system. And regarding pollution, I think we should get rid of it, but also adjust for it as long as it's there, by supplementing our bodies with the nutrients lacking in our diet because of the current pollution.

ethbr1 2y ago
> If our immune systems are generally stronger, it could be that pandemics disappear, because the pathogen can't spread fast enough. That's not how viral genetic evolution or our immune systems work. R0 isn't typically effected by the strength of a population's immune systems, but the severity of symptoms is. That's because the most infectious time is during initial viral replication and shedding, before your immune system has scaled its response (which takes time) enough to decrease viral load. If everyone in the world had super immune systems, COVID would have still been a pandemic, but we would have had fewer deaths.
- gitaarik 2y ago
  Ok, so then it's a pandemic but not a problem. So that's good too right?
  - ethbr1 2y ago
    Roll dice for mutation, for every person infected.
michaelmrose 2y ago
There has never been a time in history without epidemics. Its better now than historically because of vaccination. If we take it away countless people will die and others be damaged. The problem is that you have formed strong opinions about this topic whilst knowing almost nothing about it. We can't eliminate all disease by living healthier lives and we can't even make the people we have as healthy as they might be. In the actual world and in a fictional best of all possible worlds vaccination makes us healthier.
- gitaarik 2y ago
  Or vaccination makes us weaker. Because our own immune system gets trained in an unnatural way. How is it that various native tribes weren't affected by the virus? Difference in immune system obviously. So better immune systems definately helps lower diseases and prevent pandemics.