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> and who's fault is that? I suspect people who overgeneralize in order to demonize an entire population have a hand in this. You didn't answer my question, e

> and who's fault is that? I suspect people who overgeneralize in order to demonize an entire population have a hand in this. You didn't answer my question, either.

kelnos 2y ago
Or maybe there's something to the idea of police being a corrupt, rotten profession, full of people who either a) do violent, thuggish things, b) help cover up the abuses, or c) stand by quietly, too cowardly to ensure the awful ones among them face consequences for what they've done. I think police as a job, as it currently exists, absolutely should be socially stigmatized. They have the ability to clean up their act, and show that they are worthy of the power and authority we give them, but they choose not to.
- try_the_bass 2y ago
  Or maybe people like you just hate authority and will always portray anyone in positions of authority as being corrupt? Except if it was you in charge, of course? Like I asked you in a different reply: what's the prevalence rate of these bad behaviors? "Full of people" seems to imply that you think it's a majority? I can confidently state that you cannot back this up with evidence, because it appears the only evidence you have is anecdotal, and likely anecdotes you actively select for in order to feed your confirmation bias. I'll note that you didn't answer my question, either. Coordinated deflection like this is not a sign that you have a well-formed argument
  - genewitch 2y ago
    define "anecdote" as it pertains to your argument - because i have literally hundreds of videos of police misconduct, from just 2020-2022. I stopped collecting them because i can't move the needle. here's where people go "oh but there's 800,000+ uniformed law enforcement in the US, and you have 100 videos, big whoop". How many videos would it take? We've only been able to really easily record the police doing misconduct for 15-20 years, depending on how you parse "easily record." So how many videos would it take? And of those videos, how many would i have to listen to someone say "the victim of police misconduct should have just [...]"? How many lawsuits against cities and departments would you need to read before it made a dent?
    - try_the_bass 2y ago
      I wrote a whole reply here, and then I realized who I was replying to. You know what, fuck that. You still haven't answered my earlier question: > Why is being a "marginalized group" relevant? We can come back to this tangent once you've answered that question. I'm getting tired of all the deflection
      - genewitch 2y ago
        because using mean words to talk about the police isn't punching down. There's a difference between punching down on marginalized groups, compared to speaking against / badly about authority figures. What i don't get is why cops need white knights
        try_the_bass 2y ago
        That doesn't really answer the question. Perhaps I should rephrase: You were replying to someone who stated this, I believe: > Maybe a bit better, but you're still overgeneralizing in order to demonize an entire group of people. To which you responded: > Cops aren't a marginalized group. Why does being a marginalized group matter in this context? Why does not being a "marginalized group" mean it's okay to overgeneralize and/or demonize? What is a "marginalized group" in this context? Why is one not allowed to overgeneralize and demonize a marginal group, but one is allowed to for groups that do not hold this status? The more meta question is: Why is overgeneralizing in order to demonize a group of people acceptable in any circumstance? I don't think it is, because once you start carving out exceptions, all you end up doing is just justifying and reinforcing your own biases.
        genewitch 2y ago
        >>>> "Black people are abusive, violent thugs, within a subculture of violent thuggery, in cities which lack..." >>>> Maybe a bit better, but you're still overgeneralizing in order to demonize an entire group of people. >>> cops aren't a marginalized group >> why does this matter > There's a difference between punching down on marginalized groups, compared to speaking against / badly about authority figures. hope this clears it up.

> and who's fault is that? I suspect people who overgeneralize in order to demonize an entire population have a hand in this. You didn't answer my question, either.

kelnos 2y ago

Or maybe there's something to the idea of police being a corrupt, rotten profession, full of people who either a) do violent, thuggish things, b) help cover up the abuses, or c) stand by quietly, too cowardly to ensure the awful ones among them face consequences for what they've done. I think police as a job, as it currently exists, absolutely should be socially stigmatized. They have the ability to clean up their act, and show that they are worthy of the power and authority we give them, but they choose not to.

try_the_bass 2y ago
Or maybe people like you just hate authority and will always portray anyone in positions of authority as being corrupt? Except if it was you in charge, of course? Like I asked you in a different reply: what's the prevalence rate of these bad behaviors? "Full of people" seems to imply that you think it's a majority? I can confidently state that you cannot back this up with evidence, because it appears the only evidence you have is anecdotal, and likely anecdotes you actively select for in order to feed your confirmation bias. I'll note that you didn't answer my question, either. Coordinated deflection like this is not a sign that you have a well-formed argument
- genewitch 2y ago
  define "anecdote" as it pertains to your argument - because i have literally hundreds of videos of police misconduct, from just 2020-2022. I stopped collecting them because i can't move the needle. here's where people go "oh but there's 800,000+ uniformed law enforcement in the US, and you have 100 videos, big whoop". How many videos would it take? We've only been able to really easily record the police doing misconduct for 15-20 years, depending on how you parse "easily record." So how many videos would it take? And of those videos, how many would i have to listen to someone say "the victim of police misconduct should have just [...]"? How many lawsuits against cities and departments would you need to read before it made a dent?
  - try_the_bass 2y ago
    I wrote a whole reply here, and then I realized who I was replying to. You know what, fuck that. You still haven't answered my earlier question: > Why is being a "marginalized group" relevant? We can come back to this tangent once you've answered that question. I'm getting tired of all the deflection
    - genewitch 2y ago
      because using mean words to talk about the police isn't punching down. There's a difference between punching down on marginalized groups, compared to speaking against / badly about authority figures. What i don't get is why cops need white knights
      - try_the_bass 2y ago
        That doesn't really answer the question. Perhaps I should rephrase: You were replying to someone who stated this, I believe: > Maybe a bit better, but you're still overgeneralizing in order to demonize an entire group of people. To which you responded: > Cops aren't a marginalized group. Why does being a marginalized group matter in this context? Why does not being a "marginalized group" mean it's okay to overgeneralize and/or demonize? What is a "marginalized group" in this context? Why is one not allowed to overgeneralize and demonize a marginal group, but one is allowed to for groups that do not hold this status? The more meta question is: Why is overgeneralizing in order to demonize a group of people acceptable in any circumstance? I don't think it is, because once you start carving out exceptions, all you end up doing is just justifying and reinforcing your own biases.
        genewitch 2y ago
        >>>> "Black people are abusive, violent thugs, within a subculture of violent thuggery, in cities which lack..." >>>> Maybe a bit better, but you're still overgeneralizing in order to demonize an entire group of people. >>> cops aren't a marginalized group >> why does this matter > There's a difference between punching down on marginalized groups, compared to speaking against / badly about authority figures. hope this clears it up.