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Yes. For 10 years now, we’ve been hearing how hysterical the predictions about Trump’s actions are. And then he does them. And goal posts are moved, frogs are b

Yes. For 10 years now, we’ve been hearing how hysterical the predictions about Trump’s actions are. And then he does them. And goal posts are moved, frogs are boiled, whatever analogy you prefer. Dude’s, right now, disappearing people against court orders to forced labor camps in other countries with no due process. He’s talking about taking over Canada and Greenland. What makes you think this is unrealistic? Why do you believe what you believe?

kelnos 2y ago
At best -- at best -- the rhetoric about Canada and Greenland is just yet another distraction from all the other domestic crap he and Musk are pulling. At slightly less than best, he wants to scare other countries into making concessions favorable to the US (or at even less than best, favorable to Trump and his cronies). But yes, I would not be terribly surprised if Trump were to use boots on the ground -- or at least the threat of such -- to expand the US's territory in some way.
- soulofmischief 2y ago
  Underestimating your enemy, or buying into all these media talking points about his will-they-won't-they energy and "epic trolling", will have disastrous effects. The most culpable person down the list after the apathetic are those who refuse to take tragedy and security threats seriously.
lmm 2y ago
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- throwaway290 2y ago
  > > For 10 years now, we’ve been hearing how hysterical the predictions about Trump’s actions are. And then he does them. > We've been hearing hysterical things about every Republican candidate for at least 30 years. Nothing ever happens. I think you replied to something you made up to avoid replying to the actual thing. It was that in case of Trump apparently there is a history of ppl saying "surely it is joke and president would never do that" but then the president does exactly that. Not about hysterical things talked about US presidents. After many cases where he said "I'll do that" then people like you said "no that's insane he's not going to do that don't worry" and then he does it, a sane person should assume that maybe he talks without thinking but then he sticks to what he blurted. And those things include attacking allies bordering with USA So it can be up to USA military to uphold constitution or do what president says.
  - lmm 2y ago
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    - throwaway290 2y ago
      It looks like Trump's second presidency is very different from the first and a bunch of things actually happened like https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43511213 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43511213, renaming of international water bodies, rugpull meme cryptocoins, DOGE and stuff it does, appointing convicted criminals to the gov, tax cuts on the rich, tariffs on allies (UK/Taiwan), pardoning darknet druglord, disappeared a Muslim student and terminated her visa apparently for coauthoring a pro-Palestinian op-ed in university newspaper (https://apnews.com/article/tufts-student-detained-massachusetts-immigration-6c3978da98a8d0f39ab311e092ffd892 https://apnews.com/article/tufts-student-detained-massachuse...) etc. Things are happening very quickly
      - lmm 2y ago
        > It looks like Trump's second presidency is very different from the first That's a pretty big backpedal from "For 10 years now, we’ve been hearing how hysterical the predictions about Trump’s actions are. And then he does them."
        throwaway290 2y ago
        I didn't give those examples but stuff was happening during first presidency too (the wall, abortion, Jan 6). And now it keeps happening except more often & worse. Both can be true.
- soulofmischief 2y ago
  Did you forget we recently spent over 30 years of military operations in Iraq? Or our current military support of an ongoing genocidal religious massacre? What exactly is your threshold for fucked up shit?
  - lmm 2y ago
    > Did you forget we recently spent over 30 years of military operations in Iraq? Under multiple administrations from both sides of the aisle, with a significant drawdown under Trump. > Or our current military support of an ongoing genocidal religious massacre? Which started under Biden (this round) and has full bipartisan support. > What exactly is your threshold for fucked up shit? Something other than "It's fucked up when Trump does the things that were business as usual for several previous presidents". Has the US government been out of control for decades? Sure. Is Trump doing something uniquely bad? I've yet to see it.
    - soulofmischief 2y ago
      All of this is a strawman. I said nothing about the other side of the aisle, and they get no excuses either. But whataboutism is not a valid argument nor an excuse for this current administration's behavior. > significant drawdown under Trump Dude is literally going full empire mode right now with our neighboring allies. And he also got very close to starting a war with Iran on his way out of his last term. And now he is continuing to support the same genocide as his predecessors, and siding with Russia over the Ukraine conflict. He is an absolute clown and an illegitimate tyrant. > Has the US government been out of control for decades? Sure. Is Trump doing something uniquely bad? I've yet to see it. Status quo has never been a legitimate excuse for tyranny.
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      - lmm 2y ago
        > All of this is a strawman. I said nothing about the other side of the aisle, and they get no excuses either. But whataboutism is not a valid argument nor an excuse for this current administration's behavior. If your position is that Trump is doing something crazy then you absolutely need to show how what he's doing is different from baseline. And if you're suggesting people should have voted against him, which tends to be implicit in conversations about the president, then the alternative they would be voting for is absolutely relevant.

kelnos 2y ago

At best -- at best -- the rhetoric about Canada and Greenland is just yet another distraction from all the other domestic crap he and Musk are pulling. At slightly less than best, he wants to scare other countries into making concessions favorable to the US (or at even less than best, favorable to Trump and his cronies). But yes, I would not be terribly surprised if Trump were to use boots on the ground -- or at least the threat of such -- to expand the US's territory in some way.

soulofmischief 2y ago
Underestimating your enemy, or buying into all these media talking points about his will-they-won't-they energy and "epic trolling", will have disastrous effects. The most culpable person down the list after the apathetic are those who refuse to take tragedy and security threats seriously.

lmm 2y ago

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throwaway290 2y ago
> > For 10 years now, we’ve been hearing how hysterical the predictions about Trump’s actions are. And then he does them. > We've been hearing hysterical things about every Republican candidate for at least 30 years. Nothing ever happens. I think you replied to something you made up to avoid replying to the actual thing. It was that in case of Trump apparently there is a history of ppl saying "surely it is joke and president would never do that" but then the president does exactly that. Not about hysterical things talked about US presidents. After many cases where he said "I'll do that" then people like you said "no that's insane he's not going to do that don't worry" and then he does it, a sane person should assume that maybe he talks without thinking but then he sticks to what he blurted. And those things include attacking allies bordering with USA So it can be up to USA military to uphold constitution or do what president says.
- lmm 2y ago
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  - throwaway290 2y ago
    It looks like Trump's second presidency is very different from the first and a bunch of things actually happened like https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43511213 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43511213, renaming of international water bodies, rugpull meme cryptocoins, DOGE and stuff it does, appointing convicted criminals to the gov, tax cuts on the rich, tariffs on allies (UK/Taiwan), pardoning darknet druglord, disappeared a Muslim student and terminated her visa apparently for coauthoring a pro-Palestinian op-ed in university newspaper (https://apnews.com/article/tufts-student-detained-massachusetts-immigration-6c3978da98a8d0f39ab311e092ffd892 https://apnews.com/article/tufts-student-detained-massachuse...) etc. Things are happening very quickly
    - lmm 2y ago
      > It looks like Trump's second presidency is very different from the first That's a pretty big backpedal from "For 10 years now, we’ve been hearing how hysterical the predictions about Trump’s actions are. And then he does them."
      - throwaway290 2y ago
        I didn't give those examples but stuff was happening during first presidency too (the wall, abortion, Jan 6). And now it keeps happening except more often & worse. Both can be true.
soulofmischief 2y ago
Did you forget we recently spent over 30 years of military operations in Iraq? Or our current military support of an ongoing genocidal religious massacre? What exactly is your threshold for fucked up shit?
- lmm 2y ago
  > Did you forget we recently spent over 30 years of military operations in Iraq? Under multiple administrations from both sides of the aisle, with a significant drawdown under Trump. > Or our current military support of an ongoing genocidal religious massacre? Which started under Biden (this round) and has full bipartisan support. > What exactly is your threshold for fucked up shit? Something other than "It's fucked up when Trump does the things that were business as usual for several previous presidents". Has the US government been out of control for decades? Sure. Is Trump doing something uniquely bad? I've yet to see it.
  - soulofmischief 2y ago
    All of this is a strawman. I said nothing about the other side of the aisle, and they get no excuses either. But whataboutism is not a valid argument nor an excuse for this current administration's behavior. > significant drawdown under Trump Dude is literally going full empire mode right now with our neighboring allies. And he also got very close to starting a war with Iran on his way out of his last term. And now he is continuing to support the same genocide as his predecessors, and siding with Russia over the Ukraine conflict. He is an absolute clown and an illegitimate tyrant. > Has the US government been out of control for decades? Sure. Is Trump doing something uniquely bad? I've yet to see it. Status quo has never been a legitimate excuse for tyranny.
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    - lmm 2y ago
      > All of this is a strawman. I said nothing about the other side of the aisle, and they get no excuses either. But whataboutism is not a valid argument nor an excuse for this current administration's behavior. If your position is that Trump is doing something crazy then you absolutely need to show how what he's doing is different from baseline. And if you're suggesting people should have voted against him, which tends to be implicit in conversations about the president, then the alternative they would be voting for is absolutely relevant.