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I really don't care if jobs are replaced, so long that people are still able to make a living. It really becomes a problem if you replace humans as a whole, an

I really don't care if jobs are replaced, so long that people are still able to make a living. It really becomes a problem if you replace humans as a whole, and don't come up with something to allow them to make a living still such as UBI or others. I think that is the big difference between the lamplighter situation, and the situation at hand.

pj_mukh 2y ago
I've seen no evidence for there being "not enough jobs". The problem (as always) is the status associated with the job. There is a real dearth of people wanting to work the trades, but no one wants those jobs. I'm not sure how to solve that problem, even I don't want that job.
- xigency 2y ago
  A smart society would give status to people who take jobs that are needed but undesirable. We do not live in a smart society.
- lamename 2y ago
  Related is the fact that other jobs existing, even IF desirable, doesn't mean they can be learned over night. Many jobs worth having take years of training. Switching careers overnight is not realistic for nearly anyone who gets laid off due to replacement.
  - pj_mukh 2y ago
    That seems like a transitory problem already solved by government programs such as extended unemployment and adult training programs. The problem is still more people's willingness to cede the status of their current jobs to take up new ones. That's still the hardest part.
    - lamename 2y ago
      I'd argue that your point is only true if the amount of money the government gives out per month per person vastly increases.
      - pj_mukh 2y ago
        Yup. Political problems irrelevant to the tech. Also a lot more attainable/manageable than an expansive permanent UBI.
        soco 2y ago
        That is a quite pervasive thought in the tech industry nowadays: we break everything, let the politics/society/aliens fix it. What would you say if the politics/society/aliens decide to block said tech, stopping the problem at the source? It's not a given, that techbros can do anything with impunity.

pj_mukh 2y ago

I've seen no evidence for there being "not enough jobs". The problem (as always) is the status associated with the job. There is a real dearth of people wanting to work the trades, but no one wants those jobs. I'm not sure how to solve that problem, even I don't want that job.

xigency 2y ago
A smart society would give status to people who take jobs that are needed but undesirable. We do not live in a smart society.
lamename 2y ago
Related is the fact that other jobs existing, even IF desirable, doesn't mean they can be learned over night. Many jobs worth having take years of training. Switching careers overnight is not realistic for nearly anyone who gets laid off due to replacement.
- pj_mukh 2y ago
  That seems like a transitory problem already solved by government programs such as extended unemployment and adult training programs. The problem is still more people's willingness to cede the status of their current jobs to take up new ones. That's still the hardest part.
  - lamename 2y ago
    I'd argue that your point is only true if the amount of money the government gives out per month per person vastly increases.
    - pj_mukh 2y ago
      Yup. Political problems irrelevant to the tech. Also a lot more attainable/manageable than an expansive permanent UBI.
      - soco 2y ago
        That is a quite pervasive thought in the tech industry nowadays: we break everything, let the politics/society/aliens fix it. What would you say if the politics/society/aliens decide to block said tech, stopping the problem at the source? It's not a given, that techbros can do anything with impunity.