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From what I have been told (specific to the US army): - Enlisted swear oaths to the constitution and President - Officers swear an oath to the constitution I
by berdon 2y ago
From what I have been told (specific to the US army):
- Enlisted swear oaths to the constitution and President
- Officers swear an oath to the constitution
I’ve only been told this, I don’t claim to know.
- sorcerer-mar 2y agoThey swear that they will obey lawful orders from their commanders, all the way up to the President.
- vbezhenar 2y agoWho decides whether order is lawful or not?
- sorcerer-mar 2y agoA soldier comes to their own assessment then a court martial decides later on if they agree. Just like every other form of action: do what you believe is within bounds, then find out later if the courts agree
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- Yoric 2y agoThere are military lawyers for this. I seem to recall that Trump fired them last month.
- vbezhenar 2y agoYou don't have lawyer in the trenches. You have an order, if you don't obey, you might be executed at place.
- sorcerer-mar 2y ago> You have an order, if you don't obey, you might be executed at place. Uhhhh... not in the US (or any western) military you won't.
- olyjohn 2y agoBut if you're a soldier of the Klingon Empire, you might.
- nozzlegear 2y agoReal life is not like the movies. You aren't executed for disobeying or refusing an order in the US military.
- curt15 2y agoLawyers provide legal advice but are not judges.
- Yoric 2y agoBy lawyer, I meant that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judge_Advocate_General%27s_Corps https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judge_Advocate_General%27s_Cor... . They also serve as judges, as far as I understand.
- jfengel 2y agoIf the order is wrong, it's your fault for failing to know that. If the order is valid, it's your fault for questioning it.
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago> Who decides whether order is lawful or not? The individual. If your boss orders you to do something illegal, it’s up to you to be sceptical and do your research. That’s the only way it can work without converting a part of the population to drones.
- zombiwoof 2y agoSo why post it?
- ncallaway 2y agoYou can just google the oaths that people take. - enlisted: https://www.army.mil/values/oath.html https://www.army.mil/values/oath.html > I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God. (Title 10, US Code; Act of 5 May 1960 replacing the wording first adopted in 1789, with amendment effective 5 October 1962). - officers: https://www.army.mil/values/officers.html https://www.army.mil/values/officers.html > I ___, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God. (Title 5 U.S. Code 3331, an individual, except the President, elected or appointed to an office of honor or profit in the civil service or uniformed services)
- wongarsu 2y agoWhich does match what GP said. Enlisted swear to defend the constitution and obey the president. No limitation to lawful orders or stated precedence between the too. Commissioned officers don't swear to obey the president
- stonogo 2y agoWhat do you mean "no limitation to lawful orders"? That's what "according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice" means. Article 92 is pretty explicit about what constitutes a lawful order.
- ncallaway 2y agoIt’s explicit about following orders according to the UCMJ, and the UCMJ clearly defines what constitutes a lawful order that must be followed. So, it’s transitive, but the enlisted oath is limited to lawful orders.