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Riak 1.2 Officially Released

124 points by pharkmillups 14y ago

Pkger 14y ago
With the 1.2 release, the Riak Enterprise docs are public for the first time. http://wiki.basho.com/Multi-Data-Center-Replication-Concepts.html http://wiki.basho.com/Multi-Data-Center-Replication-Concepts...
asparagui 14y ago
can you guys update provide a non-/CURRENT/ link so I can bring over the homebrew formula?
- Pkger 14y ago
  Riak -> 1.2 -> 1.2.0 is also there. Source tarball: http://s3.amazonaws.com/downloads.basho.com/riak/1.2/1.2.0/riak-1.2.0.tar.gz http://s3.amazonaws.com/downloads.basho.com/riak/1.2/1.2.0/r...
- seancribbs 14y ago
  Go to http://basho.com/resources/downloads/ http://basho.com/resources/downloads/, static links are available if you navigate down the tree to the individual files. e.g. http://s3.amazonaws.com/downloads.basho.com/riak/1.2/1.2.0/osx/10.4/riak-1.2.0-osx-i386.tar.gz http://s3.amazonaws.com/downloads.basho.com/riak/1.2/1.2.0/o...
  - asparagui 14y ago
    roger, it's in the main brew tree now why does http://downloads.basho.com/ http://downloads.basho.com/ show different results than the above, for the record? thanks for the nifty db >:3
    - Pkger 14y ago
      http://downloads.basho.com http://downloads.basho.com is being phased out for the new downloads site. We left it up for now, but it will eventually be taken down.
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nirvana 14y ago
Basho continues to rapidly add features and improve Riak. I think they're far ahead of the competition. Frankly, I think Riak is the undiscovered gem in the NoSQL space.
- jpflores 14y ago
  we're working on the 'undiscovered' part. :-)
  - don_draper 14y ago
    How about a getting started page that is as easy as this one: http://docs.mongodb.org/manual/tutorial/install-mongodb-on-debian-or-ubuntu-linux/ http://docs.mongodb.org/manual/tutorial/install-mongodb-on-d...
    - pharkmillups 14y ago
      Yes. Docs are high on our list of things to revamp. We should be refacing and improving in all areas starting right about now...
      - pooriaazimi 14y ago
        Look at this page (linked from Basho home page, titled "Learn More"): http://basho.com/products/riak-overview/ http://basho.com/products/riak-overview/ There's nothing on that page except useless talk and a chart. There are hundreds of other NOSQL highly distributed, available, blah blah blah databases. Why should I choose Riak? Why not MongoDB? CouchDB? And I challenge you to find a link on that page that tells you anything more. All other links are just as bad: http://basho.com/technology/why-use-riak/ http://basho.com/technology/why-use-riak/ and http://basho.com/technology/architecture/ http://basho.com/technology/architecture/ and http://basho.com/technology/technology-stack/ http://basho.com/technology/technology-stack/ and http://basho.com/technology/technology-stack/ http://basho.com/technology/technology-stack/ - The wiki is also not good at all: http://wiki.basho.com/Riak.html http://wiki.basho.com/Riak.html They are just spec sheets and vague sentences. For God's sake, show me a sample project. A to-do app so I can get my head around all these new concepts... It's been 6th or 7th time in the past year that I've stumbled upon your site and was mildly interested to know more about Riak, but the docs are so horrible that I know "nothing" about it. I gave a (introductory) presentation (to an undergraduate class) about MongoDB after 10 hours of reading their site and "The Little MongoDB Book"[1] and hacking around with it (that's how good and thorough they explained their system). I'm not sure how much it would take for me to understand enough of Riak to explain it to someone. That guy also wrote a decent "Little Book" on Redis, which I also found extremely compelling. Please, if you like your product and want to see more people use it, write a better documentation. Or hire Karl Seguin to write one for you! [1]: http://openmymind.net/2011/3/28/The-Little-MongoDB-Book/ http://openmymind.net/2011/3/28/The-Little-MongoDB-Book/ [2]: http://openmymind.net/2012/1/23/The-Little-Redis-Book/ http://openmymind.net/2012/1/23/The-Little-Redis-Book/
Ixiaus 14y ago
Yay for FreeBSD support! I didn't like hacking on it to get it to install on FreeBSD... Also yay for LevelDB improvements :)
pharkmillups 14y ago
Somewhat of a shameless plug here: Basho is having conference in October called RICON. It's in San Francisco, and it's two days dedicated to Riak, developers, and distributed systems in production. And there will be plenty of chatter about Riak 1.2 (and 1.3). http://basho.com/community/ricon2012/ http://basho.com/community/ricon2012/
jtuple 14y ago
One thing that isn't highlighted much in the release notes or blog post (but will be once I get around to updating the docs) is the addition of the new 'replace' and 'force-replace' cluster commands in Riak 1.2. Have a cluster A/B/C and want to replace A with an upgraded machine Z? Bring up Z and then: cluster join Z; cluster replace A Z; cluster plan/commit. Have cluster A/B/C and C irreversibly crashes? Bring up node D from backups of C, and then: cluster join D, cluster force-replace C D, cluster plan/commit. Passive read-repair (or the newer repair logic) will resolve replicas missing from the backup.
kondro 14y ago
Any chance on getting indicative pricing for Enterprise. I generally hate hidden pricing and using products with it because it generally means the company attempts to charge whatever it can get away with and is afraid of having their clients find or what others are paying.
- theatrus2 14y ago
  Honestly, this is a big turn off if you compare with Cassandra. While Cassandra has commercial options, all the functionality is at least built in.
  - Ixiaus 14y ago
    The only thing you don't get is multi-site replication. They gotta pay the bills; cassandra gets its love from Facebook...
    - theatrus2 14y ago
      I agree with paying the bills, but if you opt for Riak to start and grow to need multi-site support, not even having a ballpark price can be an adoption turn off. Then again, prices which are too high can also be an adoption turn off :)
      - Ixiaus 14y ago
        From the impression I get, if your growth is big enough that you need multi-site replication (I'm sure there are outlying cases where you are a small company and need multi-site replication, but those are very rare instances I would think) you're going to need more than just "something to install". I think Basho has a ops guy that is tasked specifically with going to these Enterprise companies and helping them with the setup - multi-site replication most likely means there are hundreds or thousands of nodes being deployed and that type of thing is really complex and also tricky to do right (even with Riak, which makes it REALLY easy). My feeling on the price issue is this: Riak is willing to work with their clients - if you need it, you're going to call them and they basically workout what it is you need and what they can provide (maybe it is just the multi-site addon, maybe it's that plus a ops guy that knows Riak in and out and can get you completely set up worry-free with full-time support).
continuations 14y ago
How is Riak different from Cassandra or HBase? What might be the reasons I'd want to use Riak instead of open source alternatives?

124 points by pharkmillups 14y ago

Pkger 14y ago

With the 1.2 release, the Riak Enterprise docs are public for the first time. http://wiki.basho.com/Multi-Data-Center-Replication-Concepts.html http://wiki.basho.com/Multi-Data-Center-Replication-Concepts...

asparagui 14y ago

can you guys update provide a non-/CURRENT/ link so I can bring over the homebrew formula?

Pkger 14y ago
Riak -> 1.2 -> 1.2.0 is also there. Source tarball: http://s3.amazonaws.com/downloads.basho.com/riak/1.2/1.2.0/riak-1.2.0.tar.gz http://s3.amazonaws.com/downloads.basho.com/riak/1.2/1.2.0/r...
seancribbs 14y ago
Go to http://basho.com/resources/downloads/ http://basho.com/resources/downloads/, static links are available if you navigate down the tree to the individual files. e.g. http://s3.amazonaws.com/downloads.basho.com/riak/1.2/1.2.0/osx/10.4/riak-1.2.0-osx-i386.tar.gz http://s3.amazonaws.com/downloads.basho.com/riak/1.2/1.2.0/o...
- asparagui 14y ago
  roger, it's in the main brew tree now why does http://downloads.basho.com/ http://downloads.basho.com/ show different results than the above, for the record? thanks for the nifty db >:3
  - Pkger 14y ago
    http://downloads.basho.com http://downloads.basho.com is being phased out for the new downloads site. We left it up for now, but it will eventually be taken down.
  - deleted 14y ago
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nirvana 14y ago

Basho continues to rapidly add features and improve Riak. I think they're far ahead of the competition. Frankly, I think Riak is the undiscovered gem in the NoSQL space.

jpflores 14y ago
we're working on the 'undiscovered' part. :-)
- don_draper 14y ago
  How about a getting started page that is as easy as this one: http://docs.mongodb.org/manual/tutorial/install-mongodb-on-debian-or-ubuntu-linux/ http://docs.mongodb.org/manual/tutorial/install-mongodb-on-d...
  - pharkmillups 14y ago
    Yes. Docs are high on our list of things to revamp. We should be refacing and improving in all areas starting right about now...
    - pooriaazimi 14y ago
      Look at this page (linked from Basho home page, titled "Learn More"): http://basho.com/products/riak-overview/ http://basho.com/products/riak-overview/ There's nothing on that page except useless talk and a chart. There are hundreds of other NOSQL highly distributed, available, blah blah blah databases. Why should I choose Riak? Why not MongoDB? CouchDB? And I challenge you to find a link on that page that tells you anything more. All other links are just as bad: http://basho.com/technology/why-use-riak/ http://basho.com/technology/why-use-riak/ and http://basho.com/technology/architecture/ http://basho.com/technology/architecture/ and http://basho.com/technology/technology-stack/ http://basho.com/technology/technology-stack/ and http://basho.com/technology/technology-stack/ http://basho.com/technology/technology-stack/ - The wiki is also not good at all: http://wiki.basho.com/Riak.html http://wiki.basho.com/Riak.html They are just spec sheets and vague sentences. For God's sake, show me a sample project. A to-do app so I can get my head around all these new concepts... It's been 6th or 7th time in the past year that I've stumbled upon your site and was mildly interested to know more about Riak, but the docs are so horrible that I know "nothing" about it. I gave a (introductory) presentation (to an undergraduate class) about MongoDB after 10 hours of reading their site and "The Little MongoDB Book"[1] and hacking around with it (that's how good and thorough they explained their system). I'm not sure how much it would take for me to understand enough of Riak to explain it to someone. That guy also wrote a decent "Little Book" on Redis, which I also found extremely compelling. Please, if you like your product and want to see more people use it, write a better documentation. Or hire Karl Seguin to write one for you! [1]: http://openmymind.net/2011/3/28/The-Little-MongoDB-Book/ http://openmymind.net/2011/3/28/The-Little-MongoDB-Book/ [2]: http://openmymind.net/2012/1/23/The-Little-Redis-Book/ http://openmymind.net/2012/1/23/The-Little-Redis-Book/

Ixiaus 14y ago

Yay for FreeBSD support! I didn't like hacking on it to get it to install on FreeBSD... Also yay for LevelDB improvements :)

pharkmillups 14y ago

Somewhat of a shameless plug here: Basho is having conference in October called RICON. It's in San Francisco, and it's two days dedicated to Riak, developers, and distributed systems in production. And there will be plenty of chatter about Riak 1.2 (and 1.3). http://basho.com/community/ricon2012/ http://basho.com/community/ricon2012/

jtuple 14y ago

One thing that isn't highlighted much in the release notes or blog post (but will be once I get around to updating the docs) is the addition of the new 'replace' and 'force-replace' cluster commands in Riak 1.2. Have a cluster A/B/C and want to replace A with an upgraded machine Z? Bring up Z and then: cluster join Z; cluster replace A Z; cluster plan/commit. Have cluster A/B/C and C irreversibly crashes? Bring up node D from backups of C, and then: cluster join D, cluster force-replace C D, cluster plan/commit. Passive read-repair (or the newer repair logic) will resolve replicas missing from the backup.

kondro 14y ago

Any chance on getting indicative pricing for Enterprise. I generally hate hidden pricing and using products with it because it generally means the company attempts to charge whatever it can get away with and is afraid of having their clients find or what others are paying.

theatrus2 14y ago
Honestly, this is a big turn off if you compare with Cassandra. While Cassandra has commercial options, all the functionality is at least built in.
- Ixiaus 14y ago
  The only thing you don't get is multi-site replication. They gotta pay the bills; cassandra gets its love from Facebook...
  - theatrus2 14y ago
    I agree with paying the bills, but if you opt for Riak to start and grow to need multi-site support, not even having a ballpark price can be an adoption turn off. Then again, prices which are too high can also be an adoption turn off :)
    - Ixiaus 14y ago
      From the impression I get, if your growth is big enough that you need multi-site replication (I'm sure there are outlying cases where you are a small company and need multi-site replication, but those are very rare instances I would think) you're going to need more than just "something to install". I think Basho has a ops guy that is tasked specifically with going to these Enterprise companies and helping them with the setup - multi-site replication most likely means there are hundreds or thousands of nodes being deployed and that type of thing is really complex and also tricky to do right (even with Riak, which makes it REALLY easy). My feeling on the price issue is this: Riak is willing to work with their clients - if you need it, you're going to call them and they basically workout what it is you need and what they can provide (maybe it is just the multi-site addon, maybe it's that plus a ops guy that knows Riak in and out and can get you completely set up worry-free with full-time support).

continuations 14y ago

How is Riak different from Cassandra or HBase? What might be the reasons I'd want to use Riak instead of open source alternatives?