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Darcs, at least, broke new ground. It was a very innovative VCS. I'm not sure about which features originated in dwm vs. xmonad (there seems to be cross-pollin

Darcs, at least, broke new ground. It was a very innovative VCS. I'm not sure about which features originated in dwm vs. xmonad (there seems to be cross-pollination of ideas between the two, so that's a good thing either way), and I haven't used house or camp.

anamax 18y ago
> Darcs, at least, broke new ground. It was a very innovative VCS. Innovative does not mean valuable, or, more important, popular. I proposed the theory that languages become popular because they make creating new things possible and/or easier. If Darcs qualifies as such a new thing, the fact that it didn't help popularize haskell argues against my theory. Maybe my theory is wrong. (I'd certainly patch it in certain ways.) Maybe Darcs doesn't qualify. Maybe Darcs didn't do the trick because no one knows about it. So, let's flip the question. What has the Haskell community done that has been important in making other languages popular in the past? If they're not doing any of those things, why should Haskell nevertheless become popular? (Note that lots of "superior" languages never became popular, so if you're going that route, you get to explain why Haskell will be different.)
- wernerv0nbraun 18y ago
  i'm not sure i even understand what your problem is, you seem to be setting up false dichotomies and cryptic, impossible standards for success. so you don't like/won't use haskell because darcs is not the world's most popular dvcs? well git is also more popular than hg, so i guess that rules out using python for you, doesn't it? So, let's flip the question. What has the Haskell community done that has been important in making other languages popular in the past ??? so you're now asking why the haskell community isn't contributing to another language??? i don't even understand your points, they are nonsensical. what does the java community do for python? what do c++ coders do for erlang? if you don't like or want to use haskell, fine, no one really cares. just stop making up illogical arguments as to why it apparently cannot be used
- silentbicycle 18y ago
  I think that Darcs did help draw attention to Haskell, just that it's still not especially popular. The fact that we're talking about Haskell and not e.g. Joy says something about it at least crossing a low threshold of popularity, though. (XMonad is a much less significant example for Haskell's popularity, IMHO.) It seems highly likely to me that Haskell's type system made inventing Darcs's theory of patches significantly easier. While a Darcs-like system could be written in C, designing the system as a whole was almost certainly aided greatly by Haskell's type checking and lightening of certain conceptual burdens through laziness.

anamax 18y ago

> Darcs, at least, broke new ground. It was a very innovative VCS. Innovative does not mean valuable, or, more important, popular. I proposed the theory that languages become popular because they make creating new things possible and/or easier. If Darcs qualifies as such a new thing, the fact that it didn't help popularize haskell argues against my theory. Maybe my theory is wrong. (I'd certainly patch it in certain ways.) Maybe Darcs doesn't qualify. Maybe Darcs didn't do the trick because no one knows about it. So, let's flip the question. What has the Haskell community done that has been important in making other languages popular in the past? If they're not doing any of those things, why should Haskell nevertheless become popular? (Note that lots of "superior" languages never became popular, so if you're going that route, you get to explain why Haskell will be different.)

wernerv0nbraun 18y ago
i'm not sure i even understand what your problem is, you seem to be setting up false dichotomies and cryptic, impossible standards for success. so you don't like/won't use haskell because darcs is not the world's most popular dvcs? well git is also more popular than hg, so i guess that rules out using python for you, doesn't it? So, let's flip the question. What has the Haskell community done that has been important in making other languages popular in the past ??? so you're now asking why the haskell community isn't contributing to another language??? i don't even understand your points, they are nonsensical. what does the java community do for python? what do c++ coders do for erlang? if you don't like or want to use haskell, fine, no one really cares. just stop making up illogical arguments as to why it apparently cannot be used
silentbicycle 18y ago
I think that Darcs did help draw attention to Haskell, just that it's still not especially popular. The fact that we're talking about Haskell and not e.g. Joy says something about it at least crossing a low threshold of popularity, though. (XMonad is a much less significant example for Haskell's popularity, IMHO.) It seems highly likely to me that Haskell's type system made inventing Darcs's theory of patches significantly easier. While a Darcs-like system could be written in C, designing the system as a whole was almost certainly aided greatly by Haskell's type checking and lightening of certain conceptual burdens through laziness.