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Tesla shares are higher than when Twitter was acquired. 'Continues to decline' sounds like weasel wording that the media likes to use to push a narrative that d

Tesla shares are higher than when Twitter was acquired. 'Continues to decline' sounds like weasel wording that the media likes to use to push a narrative that doesn't exist. Edit: Comment flagged for pointing out inconvenient facts, it's wild out there

scarface_74 2y ago
If I jump off a building and you see me at the 10th floor, I was also 29.4 meters higher 3 seconds ago. Tesla sales are falling worldwide and losing market share
- angoragoats 2y ago
  Not to be pedantic, but you’ve confused acceleration with velocity. How far you’ve traveled will depend on how long you’ve been falling, and what your starting velocity was.
- ivewonyoung 2y ago
  The stock is up more than 18% in the last 18 days, so by your analogy you were 29.4 meters lower 3 seconds ago.
  - mullingitover 2y ago
    Falling from a building isn't the right analogy, it's more like falling down a huge flight of stairs. You bounce on the way down.
  - _DeadFred_ 2y ago
    After the unprecedented move of the President of the United States anointing Musk as a made man and member of Donalds swamp, all from the White House. In additional multiple other highest members of Trump's government went on TV and said 'invest in Tesla'. That is not a healthy stock surge. It is a pure DC swamp play.
    - Hyperboreanal 2y ago
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      - _DeadFred_ 2y ago
        What do you mean by this? Do you not agree these events happened in an attempt to bring the stock back up? That government officials gave stock advice on TV that would cost financial advisors their licenses, for the benefit/as a favor to Musk (a billionaire), the very definition of DC swamp behavior, government officials doing illegal/immoral favors for their rich sponsors.
toomuchtodo 2y ago
67% of Americans would not consider buying a Tesla, new poll says - https://electrek.co/2025/03/28/most-americans-would-not-consider-buying-tesla-new-poll/ https://electrek.co/2025/03/28/most-americans-would-not-cons... - March 28th, 2025 Tesla (TSLA) Q1 delivery consensus: 377,000 EVs – worst performance in 2 years - https://electrek.co/2025/03/28/tesla-tsla-q1-delivery-consensus-377000-evs-worst-performance-in-2-years/ https://electrek.co/2025/03/28/tesla-tsla-q1-delivery-consen... - March 28th, 2025 Tesla is banned from Canada EV rebate program, gov freezes suspicous $43 million in rebates - https://electrek.co/2025/03/25/tesla-banned-canada-ev-rebate-program-gov-freezes-suspicous-43-million-rebates/ https://electrek.co/2025/03/25/tesla-banned-canada-ev-rebate... - March 25, 2025 Tesla sales fall by 49% in Europe even as the electric vehicle market grows - https://apnews.com/article/tesla-sales-recall-trump-byd-b6f5da15be491d16e3020598e3ddf861 https://apnews.com/article/tesla-sales-recall-trump-byd-b6f5... - March 25, 2025 Tesla’s fall from grace may have no equal, says JPMorgan: ‘We struggle to think of anything analogous’ [$120 price target] - https://finance.yahoo.com/news/tesla-fall-grace-may-no-180054813.html https://finance.yahoo.com/news/tesla-fall-grace-may-no-18005... - March 13, 2025 Tesla’s stock nosedives — wiping out $700B in gains since Trump’s election victory - https://nypost.com/2025/03/07/business/tesla-stock-drop-erases-700b-in-gains-since-trump-election/ https://nypost.com/2025/03/07/business/tesla-stock-drop-eras... - March 7, 2025 Australian Tesla sales plummet as owners rush to distance themselves from Elon Musk - https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/mar/06/australian-tesla-sales-plummet-elon-musk https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/mar/06/australia... - March 6th, 2025 https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/TSLA/ https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/TSLA/ (1YR) Facts you don't like aren't "weasel words."
- TMWNN 2y ago
  ivewonyoung and raynier are still correct. TSLA today is higher than on 5 November 2024, less than five months ago.
  - toomuchtodo 2y ago
    That's fine if that is the argument (11/5/2024 vs today) vs all the gains since that period lost, I'm not willing to argue the point to death, the brand value destruction will continue. The fundamentals will catch up to the price eventually with enough pressure.
threeseed 2y ago
It is not unreasonable to assume Tesla shares will continue to decline whilst: a) sales internationally are plummeting at such a rapid pace b) consumer confidence is down with predictions of a looming recession c) the brand continues to be tarnished by the association with Musk and Trump d) auto tariffs will increase the costs of parts and the likelihood of reciprocity
- dmurray 2y ago
  Why would they continue to decline? If all that information is already known, why isn't it priced in and why isn't the best estimate of Tesla's price in 6 months equal to today's price plus the return of Treasuries?
  - mullingitover 2y ago
    The consequences of the known mismanagement is priced in. The consequences of the unknown mismanagement are tbd.
  - bloppe 2y ago
    Tesla's current P/E ratio is 134. To be a rational Tesla investor, you'd have to think it has almost 600% profit growth potential to reach the long-term American blue-chip average P/E of ~20. That kind of growth would be difficult for a new entrant, but for an incumbent that's been around a while and already seeing sales decline, it's a pipe dream. Of course, it's not all about cars for Tesla. They're betting big on humanoid robots and "full self-driving", although they've been stuck at Level-2 self-driving for years and the robots, well... Let's just say we don't hear much about them for a reason. Of course, Tesla has never been a company for rational investors. I used to hold a lot of Tesla stock back in 2017-19 when they had plenty of doubters. I remember seeing how Tesla owners would organize themselves grass-roots-style to show off their cars and convince others to go electric. The company was getting a ton of free marketing and had a very devoted customer base. My, how things have changed. Now, they have to shut down showrooms across the country due to "terrorism". So where is the upside? Well, protectionism could help them in the US market, but they're a global company with stagnant sales in the US, so it's hard to see tariffs helping more than they'd hurt. And that's pretty much it for upside AFAICT. Happy to hear from a bull that I'm wrong :)
smohare 2y ago
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ttyprintk 2y ago
“Continues to decline” is a cushion for the next sentence “downgrade to sell” which cushions you from the ultimate, “new marketing leadership with Barron Trump and someone named Alien Brainrot”.
- labster 2y ago
  I’m pretty sure the management team will include Boris Badenov as the new DPO

scarface_74 2y ago

If I jump off a building and you see me at the 10th floor, I was also 29.4 meters higher 3 seconds ago. Tesla sales are falling worldwide and losing market share

angoragoats 2y ago
Not to be pedantic, but you’ve confused acceleration with velocity. How far you’ve traveled will depend on how long you’ve been falling, and what your starting velocity was.
ivewonyoung 2y ago
The stock is up more than 18% in the last 18 days, so by your analogy you were 29.4 meters lower 3 seconds ago.
- mullingitover 2y ago
  Falling from a building isn't the right analogy, it's more like falling down a huge flight of stairs. You bounce on the way down.
- _DeadFred_ 2y ago
  After the unprecedented move of the President of the United States anointing Musk as a made man and member of Donalds swamp, all from the White House. In additional multiple other highest members of Trump's government went on TV and said 'invest in Tesla'. That is not a healthy stock surge. It is a pure DC swamp play.
  - Hyperboreanal 2y ago
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    - _DeadFred_ 2y ago
      What do you mean by this? Do you not agree these events happened in an attempt to bring the stock back up? That government officials gave stock advice on TV that would cost financial advisors their licenses, for the benefit/as a favor to Musk (a billionaire), the very definition of DC swamp behavior, government officials doing illegal/immoral favors for their rich sponsors.

toomuchtodo 2y ago

67% of Americans would not consider buying a Tesla, new poll says - https://electrek.co/2025/03/28/most-americans-would-not-consider-buying-tesla-new-poll/ https://electrek.co/2025/03/28/most-americans-would-not-cons... - March 28th, 2025 Tesla (TSLA) Q1 delivery consensus: 377,000 EVs – worst performance in 2 years - https://electrek.co/2025/03/28/tesla-tsla-q1-delivery-consensus-377000-evs-worst-performance-in-2-years/ https://electrek.co/2025/03/28/tesla-tsla-q1-delivery-consen... - March 28th, 2025 Tesla is banned from Canada EV rebate program, gov freezes suspicous $43 million in rebates - https://electrek.co/2025/03/25/tesla-banned-canada-ev-rebate-program-gov-freezes-suspicous-43-million-rebates/ https://electrek.co/2025/03/25/tesla-banned-canada-ev-rebate... - March 25, 2025 Tesla sales fall by 49% in Europe even as the electric vehicle market grows - https://apnews.com/article/tesla-sales-recall-trump-byd-b6f5da15be491d16e3020598e3ddf861 https://apnews.com/article/tesla-sales-recall-trump-byd-b6f5... - March 25, 2025 Tesla’s fall from grace may have no equal, says JPMorgan: ‘We struggle to think of anything analogous’ [$120 price target] - https://finance.yahoo.com/news/tesla-fall-grace-may-no-180054813.html https://finance.yahoo.com/news/tesla-fall-grace-may-no-18005... - March 13, 2025 Tesla’s stock nosedives — wiping out $700B in gains since Trump’s election victory - https://nypost.com/2025/03/07/business/tesla-stock-drop-erases-700b-in-gains-since-trump-election/ https://nypost.com/2025/03/07/business/tesla-stock-drop-eras... - March 7, 2025 Australian Tesla sales plummet as owners rush to distance themselves from Elon Musk - https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/mar/06/australian-tesla-sales-plummet-elon-musk https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/mar/06/australia... - March 6th, 2025 https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/TSLA/ https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/TSLA/ (1YR) Facts you don't like aren't "weasel words."

TMWNN 2y ago
ivewonyoung and raynier are still correct. TSLA today is higher than on 5 November 2024, less than five months ago.
- toomuchtodo 2y ago
  That's fine if that is the argument (11/5/2024 vs today) vs all the gains since that period lost, I'm not willing to argue the point to death, the brand value destruction will continue. The fundamentals will catch up to the price eventually with enough pressure.

threeseed 2y ago

It is not unreasonable to assume Tesla shares will continue to decline whilst: a) sales internationally are plummeting at such a rapid pace b) consumer confidence is down with predictions of a looming recession c) the brand continues to be tarnished by the association with Musk and Trump d) auto tariffs will increase the costs of parts and the likelihood of reciprocity

dmurray 2y ago
Why would they continue to decline? If all that information is already known, why isn't it priced in and why isn't the best estimate of Tesla's price in 6 months equal to today's price plus the return of Treasuries?
- mullingitover 2y ago
  The consequences of the known mismanagement is priced in. The consequences of the unknown mismanagement are tbd.
- bloppe 2y ago
  Tesla's current P/E ratio is 134. To be a rational Tesla investor, you'd have to think it has almost 600% profit growth potential to reach the long-term American blue-chip average P/E of ~20. That kind of growth would be difficult for a new entrant, but for an incumbent that's been around a while and already seeing sales decline, it's a pipe dream. Of course, it's not all about cars for Tesla. They're betting big on humanoid robots and "full self-driving", although they've been stuck at Level-2 self-driving for years and the robots, well... Let's just say we don't hear much about them for a reason. Of course, Tesla has never been a company for rational investors. I used to hold a lot of Tesla stock back in 2017-19 when they had plenty of doubters. I remember seeing how Tesla owners would organize themselves grass-roots-style to show off their cars and convince others to go electric. The company was getting a ton of free marketing and had a very devoted customer base. My, how things have changed. Now, they have to shut down showrooms across the country due to "terrorism". So where is the upside? Well, protectionism could help them in the US market, but they're a global company with stagnant sales in the US, so it's hard to see tariffs helping more than they'd hurt. And that's pretty much it for upside AFAICT. Happy to hear from a bull that I'm wrong :)

smohare 2y ago

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ttyprintk 2y ago

“Continues to decline” is a cushion for the next sentence “downgrade to sell” which cushions you from the ultimate, “new marketing leadership with Barron Trump and someone named Alien Brainrot”.

labster 2y ago
I’m pretty sure the management team will include Boris Badenov as the new DPO