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Cease and desist from Signal incoming, from their legal terms: > "Signal", Signal logos, and other trademarks are trademarks or registered trademarks of Signal

Cease and desist from Signal incoming, from their legal terms: > "Signal", Signal logos, and other trademarks are trademarks or registered trademarks of Signal Technology Foundation in the United States and other countries (more info here).

ranger_danger 2y ago
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- mmooss 2y ago
  What damages are the courts referring to?
  - eddythompson80 2y ago
    I couldn't really find any details about any of these cases. Some of the names there too are pretty strange like "Tobaccopedia" and "Kraft LLC vs Kraft ULC". ULCs (as far as I know) are a Canadian thing and I highly doubt I can just go an open a company called "Cocacola ULC" in Canada? Those examples look like LLM generated nonsense, though correct me if I'm wrong. The example usually taught in school for this sort of thing is the trademark for Aspirin. Aspirin is a Bayer brand name for acetylsalicylic acid, but Bayer didn't defend its trademark in most of the world. In most countries (including the US) courts ruled that Aspirin is a generic term and anybody could use it. That's not the case for say Tylenol (acetaminophen) or Advil (ibuprofen) for example.
    - kijiki 2y ago
      "German pharmaceutical firm Bayer was forced to give up its rights to the Aspirin trademark in the Treaty of Versailles, in 1919, which followed its defeat in World War One (it also lost the rights to Heroin, but in hindsight it's probably not so upset about that). The punishment only applied to aspirin's use in victor nations the USA, UK and France, leaving Bayer's trademark still enforceable elsewhere." https://www.bbc.com/news/business-27026704 https://www.bbc.com/news/business-27026704
      - eddythompson80 2y ago
        “Elsewhere” being literally meaning else where. I wasn’t alive in 1919, though my understanding from the literature is that “the American public didn’t like the German”. Like how they didn’t like the Irish before that. Then how they don’t like the Japanese in 1940s, the north Koran in 1956, then the Vietnamese in 1950-60s, then the Arabs in the 1970s-2000s, then the Chinese in the 2010s-today.
  - tialaramex 2y ago
    You're looking at AI slop because somebody made something up and had the machine riff along with it. You can very well have the LLM generate you a bunch of cases "proving" that it's illegal to have a pet cat or that in France everybody is legally required to smoke. In fact trademark lawyers would prefer you to believe that if you're spending $1 on like, making the trademarked product rather than giving them the dollar to "defend" your trademark that's a false economy because magically a court will tear up your trademark because you were supposed to spend all that money on lawyers. If they can argue they really believed this was true (e.g. they read nonsense hallucinated into existence by AI) they're not even lying to you, it's just super convenient that they falsely believed something which directly benefited them...
vlovich123 2y ago
This isn’t an official thing from Signal?
- grimgrin 2y ago
  it's right on the page linked: SignalBot was made by gwillem and is free to use.

ranger_danger 2y ago

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mmooss 2y ago
What damages are the courts referring to?
- eddythompson80 2y ago
  I couldn't really find any details about any of these cases. Some of the names there too are pretty strange like "Tobaccopedia" and "Kraft LLC vs Kraft ULC". ULCs (as far as I know) are a Canadian thing and I highly doubt I can just go an open a company called "Cocacola ULC" in Canada? Those examples look like LLM generated nonsense, though correct me if I'm wrong. The example usually taught in school for this sort of thing is the trademark for Aspirin. Aspirin is a Bayer brand name for acetylsalicylic acid, but Bayer didn't defend its trademark in most of the world. In most countries (including the US) courts ruled that Aspirin is a generic term and anybody could use it. That's not the case for say Tylenol (acetaminophen) or Advil (ibuprofen) for example.
  - kijiki 2y ago
    "German pharmaceutical firm Bayer was forced to give up its rights to the Aspirin trademark in the Treaty of Versailles, in 1919, which followed its defeat in World War One (it also lost the rights to Heroin, but in hindsight it's probably not so upset about that). The punishment only applied to aspirin's use in victor nations the USA, UK and France, leaving Bayer's trademark still enforceable elsewhere." https://www.bbc.com/news/business-27026704 https://www.bbc.com/news/business-27026704
    - eddythompson80 2y ago
      “Elsewhere” being literally meaning else where. I wasn’t alive in 1919, though my understanding from the literature is that “the American public didn’t like the German”. Like how they didn’t like the Irish before that. Then how they don’t like the Japanese in 1940s, the north Koran in 1956, then the Vietnamese in 1950-60s, then the Arabs in the 1970s-2000s, then the Chinese in the 2010s-today.
- tialaramex 2y ago
  You're looking at AI slop because somebody made something up and had the machine riff along with it. You can very well have the LLM generate you a bunch of cases "proving" that it's illegal to have a pet cat or that in France everybody is legally required to smoke. In fact trademark lawyers would prefer you to believe that if you're spending $1 on like, making the trademarked product rather than giving them the dollar to "defend" your trademark that's a false economy because magically a court will tear up your trademark because you were supposed to spend all that money on lawyers. If they can argue they really believed this was true (e.g. they read nonsense hallucinated into existence by AI) they're not even lying to you, it's just super convenient that they falsely believed something which directly benefited them...

vlovich123 2y ago

This isn’t an official thing from Signal?

grimgrin 2y ago
it's right on the page linked: SignalBot was made by gwillem and is free to use.