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It makes my blood boil that my kid comes from the nursery saying things like "I did an ouchie". Kids don't naturally speak like this, they are taught like this.
by jxjnskkzxxhx 2y ago
It makes my blood boil that my kid comes from the nursery saying things like "I did an ouchie". Kids don't naturally speak like this, they are taught like this. He's 3. At home he speaks his parents languages and he sounds like a 5 year old because we don't dumb it down for him. In English he sounds like every other English 3 year old in the nursery.
- ikanreed 2y agoAnd preschool teachers talk this way because they're desperately afraid of hurting parents' feelings
- andrepd 2y agoI really think baby talk is a phenomenon that pre-dates helicopter parenting
- bombcar 2y agoBaby Todd is a real phenomenon caused by kids not being able to say complex words. You want to say those complex words to them and they will repeat them back and they may make a baby version of it which is fine but it’s good to for you to keep using the complex words and the correct pronunciation so they learn. Every one of my kids has a name that is hard for a baby to pronounce so they have a baby nickname, but we let them grow out of it.
- phatfish 2y agoI blame Ms Rachel.
- uoaei 2y agoPlease don't inflame these otherwise reasonable comment sections with low effort culture war rhetoric.
- bongodongobob 2y agoIt's true though. Talk to any teacher or childcare provider.
- uoaei 2y agoI'm not denying the phenomenon exists. But to try to say that adults would be upset if teachers spoke to their children like they weren't developmentally challenged is completely ridiculous.
- DiggyJohnson 2y agoHow does this have anything to do with the culture war? This is just a discussion of culture and how its changing unrelated to what you are referring to.
- uoaei 2y agoDo you even understand the argument being made by the person I was replying to?
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- watwut 2y agoIt is just a different sound for the same thing. There is nothing dumber about "I did an ouchie" then "I got hurt". Ouchie is more infantile, but not stupider.
- sorcerer-mar 2y ago"I did [a noun]" is 'stupider', i.e. not grammatically correct English, i.e. a formulation that people will look down on you for using as you age. Sometimes you have to teach children things they'll eventually have to unlearn, but this is not one of those occasions.
- dragonwriter 2y ago“I did [a noun]” is grammatically correct English object-verb-direct-object sentence structure. Depending on the noun, it may not the most idiomatic way of expressing the sentiment it intends to communicate, but that is a different issue. (On the other hand, idiom is context dependent, and the objection here seems to be that it is idiomatic in at least one context, but that people prefer that children exclusively learn some other preferred idiom. But if you don't have this diversity, children don't get to learn and practice context switching as early, and that's an important skill, too.)
- carom 2y ago>“I did [a noun]” is grammatically correct English object-verb-direct-object sentence structure. I'm going to need some examples here because I'm filling in nouns to that structure and it does not sound correct. "I did [a] water." Huh?
- RandallBrown 2y agoI did a dance. I did a presentation.
- sorcerer-mar 2y ago
- dismalaf 2y agoAs someone who has a 2.5 year old learning multiple languages, I think a problem with English is that it's very verbose; we use full sentences to express things that can be expressed in other languages with only 1-2 words. And of course shorter sentences are easier for children as there's less grammar to be learned. And specifically for expressing you hurt yourself, we teach children to express that they're hurt far earlier than they learn actual speech. So from ~1 we teach them to say "Ow" (or some variation), but then the words change from that to "hurt", and into a full sentence "I hurt myself", which is also redundant (myself and I imply the same thing, so why do we use both in that sentence in English?). Anyhow just a thought as I'm feeding my son breakfast. "Would you like some breakfast" in English turns into 2 words in his second language.
- deadbabe 2y agoI don’t get it, you can’t just ask “want breakfast?”
- dismalaf 2y agoYou can and you do but it sounds "babyish". That's my point. Whereas in some other languages it's idiomatic.
- bongodongobob 2y agoNo it doesn't. I don't ask my colleague "Would you care to go to the bar and drink a beer after work?" I say "Grab a beer later?" As does every other normal person I know. "Get lunch?" Etc.
- deadbabe 2y agoEven “Lunch?” is enough with someone you know well.
- dgfitz 2y agoI think you’re overthinking it. I’ve been talking to my kids like they’re just normal people since they were born. “Oh how old are they, 5? Nope, just turned 3. They speak so well!” shrug The second language must be biasing you somehow, it’s not hard to talk to your kids.
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