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I think that's more of a technicality of billing you for a service than something by design ("the tap on - tap off Oyster/Presto card " => Google sent me to "L

• masfuerte 2y ago
  No, it's not a side-effect, it's a deliberate decision. You used to be able to get an Oyster card anonymously and top it up with cash. I still have one, but they are not accepted now.
  • Symbiote 2y ago
    You can buy Oyster cards at many newsagents, and top them up there too. There will probably be CCTV, but privately owned by the shop.
    • masfuerte 2y ago
      Thank you. It seems like I was misinformed. Last time I was in London my old Oyster card wouldn't work and I was told I couldn't top it up (which is probably true) and I couldn't get a new card without ID (which seems to be false).
      • Symbiote 2y ago
        Apparently even the first generation Oyster cards should work [1] so at some point I was also misinformed. On Trip Advisor some people say cards can become deactivated if not used for years, but staff in a ticket office can reactivate them. [1] https://tfl.gov.uk/fares/how-to-pay-and-where-to-buy-tickets-and-oyster/tfl-oyster-and-contactless-app/first-generation-oyster-cards https://tfl.gov.uk/fares/how-to-pay-and-where-to-buy-tickets...
• mikrl 2y ago
  Presto is Toronto’s equivalent to London’s oyster card. Actually there’s no tap off IIRC (unlike the Dutch chipkaarts) but still, I would assume the modern station where you enter is a veritable panopticon of CCTV, RF signal interception, etc