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> Because if you can vibe code… so can everyone else. That's really the money shot, right there. CEOs have this dream of firing all their "obnoxious" engineer

> Because if you can vibe code… so can everyone else. That's really the money shot, right there. CEOs have this dream of firing all their "obnoxious" engineers, and "vibe-coding" their own products. That's not something new. People have been selling this dream to gullible C-suiters since I first started coding in Machine Code (1980s). The future will belong to the engineers that can leverage AI. Engineering is a lot more involved than "HAL, write me a Facebook," which is the C-suite dream. It's just that engineering will move another level up, as it has, for hundreds of years.

DrScientist 2y ago
> CEOs have this dream of firing all their "obnoxious" engineers, and "vibe-coding" their own products. Give one of the key skills of a CEO's is pulling together the resources to make something happen, what happens to CEO's if you no longer need resources to make stuff happen? ie if everybody can Vibe code, vibe market, vibe deploy - aren't you going to be swamped with competitors? So the interesting thought experiment here is - in such an environment - what are the critical success factors?
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- supriyo-biswas 2y ago
  Mostly that in such a reality software engineering will cease to be a thing; however industries based around physical resources such as manufacturing, construction and healthcare will continue to employ people, and by extension, the CEO.
- moregrist 2y ago
  > Give one of the key skills of a CEO's is pulling together the resources to make something happen, what happens to CEO's if you no longer need resources to make stuff happen? Never underestimate how much importance a lot of people in middle and upper management place in the number of reports they have. It’s almost a <thing> measuring contest with some of them. They’ll hire people. It might not be in engineering. But I bet they’ll find a reason to hire more engineering. It might even be justified. Software productivity has been increasing for decades. This has not led to a smaller number of software engineers. Only to more ambitious projects. The future might be different, but I think the chances of that are small.
parliament32 2y ago
Absolutely. Just like, I'm sure, plenty of engineers are starting to think about developing a cool product and vibe-marketing, vibe-salesing, vibe-accounting, etc their way into a functioning business. See: the plethora of SaaS platforms promising to automate away entire sections of business operations "with AI". Both will fail, unfortunately, because it's easy to underestimate the complexities and intricacies of processes you do not understand in the first place. These various AI offerings are just making the situation worse, because they (as with most things in AI) give the appearance of being functional while falling apart under scrutiny -- the "confidently wrong" problem and all.
- ChrisMarshallNY 2y ago
  I was just talking to someone about this, this morning. I will use ChatGPT (generally) to help me solve occasional issues. I'll come across some conundrum, and ask ChatGPT for a suggestion, which it confidently delivers. The first suggestion is almost always wrong. I'll say something like "That won't work," or "That answer is deprecated." It will say "You're right!", followed by one that is more useful. I suspect lots of folks run with the first answer.

DrScientist 2y ago

> CEOs have this dream of firing all their "obnoxious" engineers, and "vibe-coding" their own products. Give one of the key skills of a CEO's is pulling together the resources to make something happen, what happens to CEO's if you no longer need resources to make stuff happen? ie if everybody can Vibe code, vibe market, vibe deploy - aren't you going to be swamped with competitors? So the interesting thought experiment here is - in such an environment - what are the critical success factors?

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supriyo-biswas 2y ago
Mostly that in such a reality software engineering will cease to be a thing; however industries based around physical resources such as manufacturing, construction and healthcare will continue to employ people, and by extension, the CEO.
moregrist 2y ago
> Give one of the key skills of a CEO's is pulling together the resources to make something happen, what happens to CEO's if you no longer need resources to make stuff happen? Never underestimate how much importance a lot of people in middle and upper management place in the number of reports they have. It’s almost a <thing> measuring contest with some of them. They’ll hire people. It might not be in engineering. But I bet they’ll find a reason to hire more engineering. It might even be justified. Software productivity has been increasing for decades. This has not led to a smaller number of software engineers. Only to more ambitious projects. The future might be different, but I think the chances of that are small.

parliament32 2y ago

Absolutely. Just like, I'm sure, plenty of engineers are starting to think about developing a cool product and vibe-marketing, vibe-salesing, vibe-accounting, etc their way into a functioning business. See: the plethora of SaaS platforms promising to automate away entire sections of business operations "with AI". Both will fail, unfortunately, because it's easy to underestimate the complexities and intricacies of processes you do not understand in the first place. These various AI offerings are just making the situation worse, because they (as with most things in AI) give the appearance of being functional while falling apart under scrutiny -- the "confidently wrong" problem and all.

ChrisMarshallNY 2y ago
I was just talking to someone about this, this morning. I will use ChatGPT (generally) to help me solve occasional issues. I'll come across some conundrum, and ask ChatGPT for a suggestion, which it confidently delivers. The first suggestion is almost always wrong. I'll say something like "That won't work," or "That answer is deprecated." It will say "You're right!", followed by one that is more useful. I suspect lots of folks run with the first answer.