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Yeah, doesn't look like this article is very good and has drawn it's own conclusions. Reading the abstract of the paper, it doesn't mention virtue once. Unfort

Yeah, doesn't look like this article is very good and has drawn it's own conclusions. Reading the abstract of the paper, it doesn't mention virtue once. Unfortunately the paper is paywalled: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/01461672241284028 https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/01461672241284028 It does say it's investigating: "patience as a targeted form of emotion regulation" Emotion regulation sure sounds like what a layman might describe as a virtue to me.

delichon 2y ago
It's what the Reverend Mother tested Paul for with the Gom Jabbar. She considered it a way to discriminate between human and animal. This is Herbert claiming emotional regulation as the foundational virtue of humanity.
NoNotTheGreeks 2y ago
> Emotion regulation sure sounds like what a layman might describe as a virtue to me. Err, do you mean the opposite? I'm 95% sure you meant the opposite. "Emotional regulation" has well-grounded semantics, assuming you accept having control over emotions. Virtue is the woo-woo word without any clear semantics.
- rcxdude 2y ago
  Virtue's not a particularly vague word: it's used to describe a trait that is morally good to have (in the view of whoever's calling something a virtue).
  - NoNotTheGreeks 2y ago
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- mattmanser 2y ago
  You should learn about a few of these things, you're pretty off on most of it: - 'Modern' morality was only invented in the late 1700s. Not millennia ago. Millennia ago was Aristole's Nicomachean Ethics which was pretty much based around virtues. Mill's utilitarianism and Kant's Categorical Imperative were written in the late 1700s - Quibbling about the meaning of words is basically a waste of your life. Calling words you don't like woo woo is a waste of everyone else's time. pg wrote a good essay on why: https://www.paulgraham.com/philosophy.html https://www.paulgraham.com/philosophy.html

delichon 2y ago

It's what the Reverend Mother tested Paul for with the Gom Jabbar. She considered it a way to discriminate between human and animal. This is Herbert claiming emotional regulation as the foundational virtue of humanity.

NoNotTheGreeks 2y ago

> Emotion regulation sure sounds like what a layman might describe as a virtue to me. Err, do you mean the opposite? I'm 95% sure you meant the opposite. "Emotional regulation" has well-grounded semantics, assuming you accept having control over emotions. Virtue is the woo-woo word without any clear semantics.

rcxdude 2y ago
Virtue's not a particularly vague word: it's used to describe a trait that is morally good to have (in the view of whoever's calling something a virtue).
- NoNotTheGreeks 2y ago
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mattmanser 2y ago
You should learn about a few of these things, you're pretty off on most of it: - 'Modern' morality was only invented in the late 1700s. Not millennia ago. Millennia ago was Aristole's Nicomachean Ethics which was pretty much based around virtues. Mill's utilitarianism and Kant's Categorical Imperative were written in the late 1700s - Quibbling about the meaning of words is basically a waste of your life. Calling words you don't like woo woo is a waste of everyone else's time. pg wrote a good essay on why: https://www.paulgraham.com/philosophy.html https://www.paulgraham.com/philosophy.html